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  • #16
    200Apples
    -DVC- Mojave Lever Crew
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Dec 2011
    • 7217

    Survivor Systems' Option Zero featureless stock. The fin is moulded into the entire stock structure (which includes a spare magwell). LOP is adjusted with the use of spacers. The Option Zero stock (in this case, grey) includes a black pistol grip which mates perfectly to their stock.

    If when in a free state, you may simply remove the Option Zero and slide on your old Magpul (or other) adjustable stock and use with this grip.

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    • #17
      Heckler&Coke
      Member
      • Apr 2020
      • 102

      Don't go feature-less pick up an AR Maglock.

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      • #18
        Donny1
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 2341

        I like these but it won't work with certain stocks because your hand won't go in between, and also you need an extended safety.

        But no fin, I hate the fin.

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        • #19
          M1NM
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2011
          • 7966

          DOJ basically says if the manufacturer calls it a brake it's a brake. They don't have a design spec.

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          • #20
            Garbcollector
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 2298

            Their's a member on this form that does grip wraps. I've bought a few from him he does good work but I can't remember his name

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            • #21
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57103

              Originally posted by Garbcollector
              Their's a member on this form that does grip wraps.
              I've bought a few from him he does good work but I can't remember his name
              His name is Oliver.
              Good guy.

              Randall Rausch

              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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              • #22
                xrMike
                Calguns Addict
                • Feb 2006
                • 7841

                Originally posted by ar15barrels
                There is no DOJ test.
                There is no DOJ scrutiny.
                There is no list of DOJ approved items.
                DOJ does NOT give guidance on what is legal.
                DOJ only states what is illegal per the laws.

                The laws define what is illegal.
                Everything that does not meet the definition of "illegal" is therefore legal.
                Once again, right on.

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                • #23
                  Sparrow Dynamics
                  Vendor/Retailer
                  • Nov 2017
                  • 1095

                  Originally posted by ar15barrels
                  There is no DOJ test.
                  There is no DOJ scrutiny.
                  There is no list of DOJ approved items.
                  DOJ does NOT give guidance on what is legal.
                  DOJ only states what is illegal per the laws.

                  The laws define what is illegal.
                  Everything that does not meet the definition of "illegal" is therefore legal.
                  Randall wins for the best answer
                  Larry
                  SparrowDynamics.com

                  Official Discussion Thread (for now)

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                  • #24
                    OlderThanDirt
                    FUBAR
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 5855

                    Originally posted by ar15barrels
                    There is no DOJ test.
                    There is no DOJ scrutiny.
                    There is no list of DOJ approved items.
                    DOJ does NOT give guidance on what is legal.
                    DOJ only states what is illegal per the laws.

                    The laws define what is illegal.
                    Everything that does not meet the definition of "illegal" is therefore legal.
                    We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying. ~ Solzhenitsyn
                    Thermidorian Reaction . . Prepare for it.

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                    • #25
                      SharedShots
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2021
                      • 2277

                      When you ask if something is legal most of the answers saying no are said just to see if you'll go along with the presumption of authority and not do it.

                      It's the "Mother May I?" syndrome.

                      It permeates so many of the questions asked which aren't asked to obtain information but to gain the approval of the groupthink and this is from people who claim to support individual rights. People get conditioned not to do most anything unless they run to ask if they can and they really don't care about the justification just so long as someone says yes they can or no they can't.
                      Last edited by SharedShots; 10-25-2021, 12:59 PM.
                      Let Go of the Status Quo!

                      Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

                      Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.

                      Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.

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                      • #26
                        bohoki
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 20815

                        the only one i know that was deemed a non pistol grip was the hammerhead

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                        • #27
                          SharedShots
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2021
                          • 2277

                          Originally posted by bohoki
                          the only one i know that was deemed a non pistol grip was the hammerhead
                          Deemed by whom?
                          Let Go of the Status Quo!

                          Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

                          Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.

                          Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.

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                          • #28
                            ar15barrels
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 57103

                            Originally posted by OlderThanDirt
                            But, but, but, what about the 58 DAs?
                            Isn’t that the FUD that the DOJ used to spew when asked if something was legal?
                            The law is still the law and it plainly spells out what's illegal.
                            The 58 DAs can charge on whatever they want as long as they can prove that the item being charged for is actually illegal.
                            That would mean that the DA would have to make the determination since the DOJ won't.

                            It would make for a a fun court case when 2 separate DA's in different counties determine that the same state law means different things.
                            Randall Rausch

                            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                            Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                            Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                            • #29
                              ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 57103

                              Originally posted by SharedShots
                              Deemed by whom?
                              Randall Rausch

                              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                              • #30
                                golfish
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Mar 2013
                                • 10111

                                Originally posted by ARDude
                                I use a Sparrow Dynamics grip for my only featureless rifle.
                                .
                                Same here. I've tried the fin grips and didn't like em. Maybe I should have said that I disliked them more the Sparrow.
                                It takes a lot of balls to play golf the way I do.
                                Happiness is a warm gun.

                                MLC, First 3

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