SHTF Bag

[Maddog5150]

lol. Didnt I say repeatedly that it was just a picture I was trying to set in? Something ugly that you may have to face or do. I never said I would be roving around a country side being a bandit so if the problem in a disaster is "people like me" who in the past made you think for a brief second about the worst possible scenarios then you will have bigger problems on your plate.

[ripcurlksm]

listen to the deal

a water purifier.

[ro442173]

I stopped leaving stuff in my car when I had to chase two guys down to get my plates and carrier back....thankfully they weren't used to running with that extra weight.

I carry my "stuff" in and out with me.

This advice is as good as gold

[socaldsal]

San Diego fires and Ramona residents anyone?

A source of good, clean, drinkable water. The gallons can be precious.

Medicine was provided. Food, shelter, and water as well. Most folks just wanted their essentials. Unless your idea of SHTF is the US descending into complete post apocalyptic chaos, water and food and bringing your prescription meds, along with whatever of your own possessions you can cart off will be priority. Extra, clean clothing will be a plus. Remember to get a head count on all your family members.

Zombie attack and misc is fun to think about, but come on, we already have real situations that are relevant that we can draw from.

SHTF in the ME for me was getting my humvee rocked by a IED and then hearing small arms erupt from somewhere while half deaf and slightly dazed, returning well aimed fire, handling that situation then doing a nine line. SHTF for me in California, is making sure my family has water and food and relevant medicines until we reach our relatives in an unaffected part of our city, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, or Phoenix. Unless you are IN Mogadishu, you'll never trek through Mogadishu. Different situations, different packing lists.

Have at least a source of water, some food, essential meds and maybe clothes. I think that's the third time I repeated that, I can't stress that enough. Take whatever you don't want to leave behind, guns, fam pics, whatever. Rally at your nearest designated family meeting point and pay attention to the news to find out safe spots to be at. Keep your vehicle full with a reasonable amount of gas to get around. Make sure your family is aware of the plan and that they know what to do in the event of it being used. Keep your general guideline for supplies by remembering your rule of threes. Simple. It's less sexy than all the other scenarios, but it's the most realistic one.

[xxG3xx]

there is nothing wrong with being prepared...

[socaldsal]

Nothing wrong with preparation, but he was looking for a 3 day pack type thing he can carry in his car then on his person, that would be portable and hold him over until he gets to where he's going.

For your car I'd also suggest that goo stuff that plugs little holes in your tires to go along with car emergency type supplies. Jumper cables are an often forgotten and often needed item.

I can't stress enough that there have been cases where an individual thought they were prepared for every scenario, but crapped out because he didn't have any water to hold over until assistance arrived, or another form of basics like an extra layer of warmth, or some food. 3 weeks, 3 days, 3 minutes.

EX: You have a baby and there's another fire. You have all your basics except you don't have a mask that can block out microscopic particulates. You and your baby suffer.

EX: You have a ton of MRE's and rely on a water source contained outside, ash and debris ruin your supply through contamination. You are now in a row of cars waiting to get 4 gallons of water distributed by the local National Guard guys whose homes have probably been wrecked too.

EX: You have water, MRE's, and extra clothes, but you forgot your hypertension medication or another family members heart medication and all you have to eat are high sodium foodstuffs. Even worse with diabetes.

You can plan and war game for every last possible scenario, but leave that at your meeting place, like your home where you can load it all up and gtfo of Dodge (or LA) before it all really goes to hell. For portability you'd need to cover earthquake and fire scenarios. Earthquake = trauma kits with SAM splints or kerlex and ace wrap for busted bones or bleeding, water and food to hold off for a little bit with DISCIPLINED rationing, and some form of signaling like a whistle and a VS-17 panel cut down to fit. Toss in a breathing apparatus or some sort of mask filter for heavy fires. Add to your kit the number that you would like, ex: 2 individual, one spare. Obviously the OJ riots were a high profile case and you could predict where it may go, keep informed and avoid areas where dumb crap happens. The fires and earthquakes that have happened in my lifetime have shown me that people can remain civil for two weeks with crap going on without tearing each other to pieces fighting for Tylenol, maybe more but it never got beyond that. If you are a shopkeeper or a resident in a bad neighborhood, well, you know your AO better than I would, so plan accordingly for that too.

[THT]

Wouldn't you want more of a Get-Home-Bag (GHB)? I packed the bag in my car with enough stuff to get me home from the most common locations (where I spend 95%+ of my time) in the event of a disaster. The idea was to be able to get myself home, re-group with the rest of my gear, and determine what to do. I also have a BOB sitting next to the door separating the house from the garage so if I need to, I can grab it and supplement the GHB within two seconds of getting home.

Having said all that, my GHB has very little in the way of arms; just a Glock 19 and a few full mags of ammo. I have no delusions of engaging anyone in gunfight as that sort of thing is 1) risky and 2) attracts alot of attention. I focused more on having the basics to make a 10-15 mile trek on foot (because I spend most of my time within that distance of home). Food, water, medical gear, ability to generate light/heat, and tools to attract desired attention (i.e. rescue personnel) are what I stuffed in my GHB.

Just some food for thought.

[Irv]

For info on GHB, BOB and INCH bags check this site out. Plenty of info and pics.

http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=14

[M198]

I don't know how comfortable I am about leave a gun and ammunition in my car at all times.

D*amn it, so am I. Now you have me worried even more. Thanks.

[M198]

Isn't there a law against a firearm in a case that is BOLTED down in a vehicle?A shtf bag seems like a good idea, but unless your house is coming down around you there should be 5 or 10 seconds to retrieve a weapon from a closet/ safe.

Can you cite something? You have me worried. Are you thinking of the lockable container not being a center console or glove box? This is a single handgun safe and it took waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to long to get it bolted down. I'm considering taking my dremmel to the bolts to super strip them so that the safe has to be cut or drilled out.

[M198]

I stopped leaving stuff in my car when I had to chase two guys down to get my plates and carrier back....thankfully they weren't used to running with that extra weight.

I carry my "stuff" in and out with me.

Nothing worth any thing in my trunk except a bolted down safe hidden in the spare wheel compartment and I'm seriously rethinking that. I wouldn't be too upset if someone stole my canned food and water. MAybe me nice EMT bag.

[technique]

Nothing worth any thing in my trunk except a bolted down safe hidden in the spare wheel compartment and I'm seriously rethinking that. I wouldn't be too upset if someone stole my canned food and water. MAybe me nice EMT bag.

As long as you are thinking ahead...I'm

1) glad I caught them in the act
2) glad I had taken my gun out that day


Things can happen beyond your control..

[ac427cpe]

Can you cite something? You have me worried. Are you thinking of the lockable container not being a center console or glove box? This is a single handgun safe and it took waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to long to get it bolted down. I'm considering taking my dremmel to the bolts to super strip them so that the safe has to be cut or drilled out.

12026.1.1
The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the
vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than
the utility or glove compartment.


The problem is with the idea of a "utility" compartment. I just remember being told that once it is affixed to the vehicle, it becomes a utility compartment, much the same as with a bullet button, where once the tool is affixed, it is no longer a tool but a part of the firearm. My apologies if this is FUD.

[GoodEyeSniper]

Common sense says that if it's okay to sit in a small, locked bag on the backseat of your car. That it would be legal to have it in a locked down safe in your trunk.

I'm still having trouble throwing out common sense when thinking about these CA laws...

[Gunm]

Esbit stove. (Stuff a few matches in plastic bags and a few strikers between the spaces of the 4 tablets. Put the stove in a bag because the tablets smell fishy.)
550 parachute cord. (not 'para cord' which may only be one rope)
Pocket wire saw or pocket chain saw if you don't want to carry an axe.
Heavy aluminum foil or small disposable aluminum pan (folded) as a cup to boil water in.
A folding shovel would be nice for your car.

Thanks for bringing this topic back up. I would not have thought about masks and goggles for smoke.