Help ID this Yugoslav trench art?

[PogoJack]

I recently purchased some Yugo M70 used Balkan wars wood for a ZPAP M70.

(In case you are interested: https://www.apexgunparts.com/more/fu...ian-as-is.html but make sure you maintain 922r compliance.)

Can anyone tell me the meaning of the art? I'm guessing it's the guy's name and unit?
It says "FIRZET" one one side of the handguard and "506 BOBr. Ц 0Bat." on the other. Maybe it's "II 0Bat."

Is it Bosnian? Serb? Slovene? I havent the faintest idea. Those of you in the know, got any clue?

Thanks!



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[jtv3062]

I hope someone here knows, I'm curious now.

[God Bless America]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Co...nd_Herzegovina)

[PogoJack]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Co...nd_Herzegovina)

Thank you for this! So 506th brigade then?

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[IVC]

I recently purchased some Yugo M70 used Balkan wars wood for a ZPAP M70.

Can anyone tell me the meaning of the art? I'm guessing it's the guy's name and unit?
It says "FIRZET" one one side of the handguard and "506 BOBr. Ц 0Bat." on the other. Maybe it's "II 0Bat."

Is it Bosnian? Serb? Slovene? I havent the faintest idea. Those of you in the know, got any clue?

Certainly not Slovenian, the war there was symbolic and very short one, before it moved to Croatia, then everything blew up in Bosnia. Slovenians were out of the conflict before anything serious even started.

The two abbreviations, "Br." and "Bat." stand for "Brigada" and "Bataljon" which is the Serbo-Croatian for "brigade" and "battalion." All three parties in the Bosnian conflict spoke the same language, just different and quite distinguishable dialects. That places the rifle into 506th brigade of the Bosnian army, locally called "Muslimani" or "Muslimanska Vojska" ("Muslims"/"Muslim Military." Western media used names such as "Bosniaks" and alike which are not accurate.)

Of the three parties in the Bosnian war, Serbs used Cyrillic alphabet. Even though both Cyrillic and Latin alphabets were equally used in Serbia, as the war started it became a part of the national pride and identity to use the Cyrillic alphabet. Similarly, Croats or Muslims would never use any Cyrillic characters, it would be considered close to treason.

So, the symbol that looks like "Ц" (Cyrillic symbol for letter "C," pronounced the same as "zz" in "pizza") cannot be "Ц" - it is indeed two vertical lines "II" indicating roman "2" - The rifle belonged to the 2nd battalion of the 506th brigade. If you do a quick search, you can find photos of this battalion.

It leaves the initial letters in the acronym. The initial "B" almost certainly stands for "Brdska" (from "brdo" meaning "hill," it means "mountainous") since 506th brigade is listed as "brdska brigada." A quick search on a hunch about what "O" stands for confirmed that it is more than likely for "oslobodilačka" meaning "liberating" - here is an article about operation "Sana" where the 506th participated and where they are referred to as "506. lahka brigada" (506th light brigade) and "506. oslobodilačka brigada" (506th liberation brigade). Also, using the term "liberating" was a common practice since WWII for various units, so it is quite consistent with the markings one would expect to find.

So, my best educated guess is that it is: "506 BOBr. II OBat." standing for "506 Brdska Oslobodilačka Brigada II Oslobodilački Bataljon" which means "506th mountainous liberating brigade, 2nd liberating battalion."

The other side, "Firzet" is a less common but not unusual Muslim name in Bosnia. Since the name is not too common, you might be able to track down the actual person who was issued and used the original rifle that the wood was on.

[CoopsDad]

Certainly not Slovenian, the war there was symbolic and very short one, before it moved to Croatia, then everything blew up in Bosnia. Slovenians were out of the conflict before anything serious even started.

The two abbreviations, "Br." and "Bat." stand for "Brigada" and "Bataljon" which is the Serbo-Croatian for "brigade" and "battalion." All three parties in the Bosnian conflict spoke the same language, just different and quite distinguishable dialects. That places the rifle into 506th brigade of the Bosnian army, locally called "Muslimani" or "Muslimanska Vojska" ("Muslims"/"Muslim Military." Western media used names such as "Bosniaks" and alike which are not accurate.)

Of the three parties in the Bosnian war, Serbs used Cyrillic alphabet. Even though both Cyrillic and Latin alphabets were equally used in Serbia, as the war started it became a part of the national pride and identity to use the Cyrillic alphabet. Similarly, Croats or Muslims would never use any Cyrillic characters, it would be considered close to treason.

So, the symbol that looks like "Ц" (Cyrillic symbol for letter "C," pronounced the same as "zz" in "pizza") cannot be "Ц" - it is indeed two vertical lines "II" indicating roman "2" - The rifle belonged to the 2nd battalion of the 506th brigade. If you do a quick search, you can find photos of this battalion.

It leaves the initial letters in the acronym. The initial "B" almost certainly stands for "Brdska" (from "brdo" meaning "hill," it means "mountainous") since 506th brigade is listed as "brdska brigada." A quick search on a hunch about what "O" stands for confirmed that it is more than likely for "oslobodilačka" meaning "liberating" - here is an article about operation "Sana" where the 506th participated and where they are referred to as "506. lahka brigada" (506th light brigade) and "506. oslobodilačka brigada" (506th liberation brigade). Also, using the term "liberating" was a common practice since WWII for various units, so it is quite consistent with the markings one would expect to find.

So, my best educated guess is that it is: "506 BOBr. II OBat." standing for "506 Brdska Oslobodilačka Brigada II Oslobodilački Bataljon" which means "506th mountainous liberating brigade, 2nd liberating battalion."

The other side, "Firzet" is a less common but not unusual Muslim name in Bosnia. Since the name is not too common, you might be able to track down the actual person who was issued and used the original rifle that the wood was on.

Incredible. I am completely impressed.

[1911su16b870]

Vrlo dobro Brace IVC! Hvala.

[Tractionavant]

My Father was in the luftwaffa & spent the last few months of the war in a British pow camp. Him and a buddy made clocks from ham tins that they traded to the guards for cigarettes....when he was 16

[BigPimping]

^^^^^^^
That's freaking awesome.

[PogoJack]

Help ID this Yugoslav trench art?

Certainly not Slovenian, the war there was symbolic and very short one, before it moved to Croatia, then everything blew up in Bosnia. Slovenians were out of the conflict before anything serious even started.

The two abbreviations, "Br." and "Bat." stand for "Brigada" and "Bataljon" which is the Serbo-Croatian for "brigade" and "battalion." All three parties in the Bosnian conflict spoke the same language, just different and quite distinguishable dialects. That places the rifle into 506th brigade of the Bosnian army, locally called "Muslimani" or "Muslimanska Vojska" ("Muslims"/"Muslim Military." Western media used names such as "Bosniaks" and alike which are not accurate.)

Of the three parties in the Bosnian war, Serbs used Cyrillic alphabet. Even though both Cyrillic and Latin alphabets were equally used in Serbia, as the war started it became a part of the national pride and identity to use the Cyrillic alphabet. Similarly, Croats or Muslims would never use any Cyrillic characters, it would be considered close to treason.

So, the symbol that looks like "Ц" (Cyrillic symbol for letter "C," pronounced the same as "zz" in "pizza") cannot be "Ц" - it is indeed two vertical lines "II" indicating roman "2" - The rifle belonged to the 2nd battalion of the 506th brigade. If you do a quick search, you can find photos of this battalion.

It leaves the initial letters in the acronym. The initial "B" almost certainly stands for "Brdska" (from "brdo" meaning "hill," it means "mountainous") since 506th brigade is listed as "brdska brigada." A quick search on a hunch about what "O" stands for confirmed that it is more than likely for "oslobodilačka" meaning "liberating" - here is an article about operation "Sana" where the 506th participated and where they are referred to as "506. lahka brigada" (506th light brigade) and "506. oslobodilačka brigada" (506th liberation brigade). Also, using the term "liberating" was a common practice since WWII for various units, so it is quite consistent with the markings one would expect to find.

So, my best educated guess is that it is: "506 BOBr. II OBat." standing for "506 Brdska Oslobodilačka Brigada II Oslobodilački Bataljon" which means "506th mountainous liberating brigade, 2nd liberating battalion."

The other side, "Firzet" is a less common but not unusual Muslim name in Bosnia. Since the name is not too common, you might be able to track down the actual person who was issued and used the original rifle that the wood was on.

[Harry Ono]

Začuđujući

[CptDan]

Dobro Hvala

[bugsy714]

Certainly not Slovenian, the war there was symbolic and very short one, before it moved to Croatia, then everything blew up in Bosnia. Slovenians were out of the conflict before anything serious even started.

The two abbreviations, "Br." and "Bat." stand for "Brigada" and "Bataljon" which is the Serbo-Croatian for "brigade" and "battalion." All three parties in the Bosnian conflict spoke the same language, just different and quite distinguishable dialects. That places the rifle into 506th brigade of the Bosnian army, locally called "Muslimani" or "Muslimanska Vojska" ("Muslims"/"Muslim Military." Western media used names such as "Bosniaks" and alike which are not accurate.)

Of the three parties in the Bosnian war, Serbs used Cyrillic alphabet. Even though both Cyrillic and Latin alphabets were equally used in Serbia, as the war started it became a part of the national pride and identity to use the Cyrillic alphabet. Similarly, Croats or Muslims would never use any Cyrillic characters, it would be considered close to treason.

So, the symbol that looks like "Ц" (Cyrillic symbol for letter "C," pronounced the same as "zz" in "pizza") cannot be "Ц" - it is indeed two vertical lines "II" indicating roman "2" - The rifle belonged to the 2nd battalion of the 506th brigade. If you do a quick search, you can find photos of this battalion.

It leaves the initial letters in the acronym. The initial "B" almost certainly stands for "Brdska" (from "brdo" meaning "hill," it means "mountainous") since 506th brigade is listed as "brdska brigada." A quick search on a hunch about what "O" stands for confirmed that it is more than likely for "oslobodilačka" meaning "liberating" - here is an article about operation "Sana" where the 506th participated and where they are referred to as "506. lahka brigada" (506th light brigade) and "506. oslobodilačka brigada" (506th liberation brigade). Also, using the term "liberating" was a common practice since WWII for various units, so it is quite consistent with the markings one would expect to find.

So, my best educated guess is that it is: "506 BOBr. II OBat." standing for "506 Brdska Oslobodilačka Brigada II Oslobodilački Bataljon" which means "506th mountainous liberating brigade, 2nd liberating battalion."

The other side, "Firzet" is a less common but not unusual Muslim name in Bosnia. Since the name is not too common, you might be able to track down the actual person who was issued and used the original rifle that the wood was on.

Bonus points great post


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[PogoJack]

I guess these videos are related to the unit from whence this wood came. Operation Sana 1995.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfGpU7Xt7GU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeLmSye0goM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfZmRH9jJ3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5MRweeCRE8

20 years later in English for people like me who were ignorant of the details. Invaluable history for us who believe history rhymes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y1rCVn9NLo

[IVC]

I guess these videos are related to the unit from whence this wood came.

Good to see that the titles of the videos confirm what the acronyms stand for. Now you know quite a bit about where the furniture came from.

Out of curiosity, can you post a photo of your rifle? I'm not sure how you can use wood from an AK-47 type rifle on an SKS type rifle.