PPT LGS requirement question

[Mr.Cip]

[edgerly779]

Lock needs to be ca approved and bought within last 30 days. Lock with firearm likely did not qualify. Most ffls are not anal about it.

[Mr.Cip]

Lock needs to be ca approved and bought within last 30 days. Lock with firearm likely did not qualify. Most ffls are not anal about it.

[Quiet]

I did a PPT today at a LGS I’ve never dealt with before. I was the buyer. It was the that seller’s preferred shop.
The LGS required me to buy a lock in addition to the cost of the DROS and transfer. They said it was a requirement of Alameda County. Is this actually a requirement?
I just don’t remember ever having to buy an additional lock. The pistol I was buying had a lock in the box. I could very well be incorrect and unknowledgeable of the law.

Lock needs to be ca approved and bought within last 30 days. Lock with firearm likely did not qualify.

The safety device is a requirement under CA state laws. [PC 23635(a)]
^Showing a receipt for a CA approved safety device, purchased within 30 days, is an exemption to this. [PC 23635(c)]



Penal Code 23635
(a) Any firearm sold or transferred in this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including a private transfer through a dealer, and any firearm manufactured in this state, shall include or be accompanied by a firearm safety device that is listed on the Department of Justice’s roster of approved firearm safety devices and that is identified as appropriate for that firearm by reference to either the manufacturer and model of the firearm, or to the physical characteristics of the firearm that match those listed on the roster for use with the device.
(c) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from subdivision (a) if all of the following apply:
(1) The purchaser or transferee purchases an approved safety device no more than 30 days prior to the day the purchaser or transferee takes possession of the firearm.
(2) The purchaser or transferee presents the approved safety device to the firearms dealer when picking up the firearm.
(3) The purchaser or transferee presents an original receipt to the firearms dealer, which shows the date of purchase, the name, and the model number of the safety device.
(4) The firearms dealer verifies that the requirements in paragraphs (1) to (3), inclusive, have been satisfied.
(5) The firearms dealer maintains a copy of the receipt along with the dealer’s record of sales of firearms.

[Fat Old Guy]

Lock needs to be ca approved and bought within last 30 days. Lock with firearm likely did not qualify. Most ffls are not anal about it.

Thanks for the great info! I did not know that it has to be purchased within 30 days!!!!

Calgun's contributors are a wealth of knowledge.

[hitmissone]

Just had the same thing happen to me in Vacaville. They sold me a lock for $11.00. They had a bunch of locks on tha back shelf and were selling them like crazy on every gone going out.

[Rob454]

Just had the same thing happen to me in Vacaville. They sold me a lock for $11.00. They had a bunch of locks on tha back shelf and were selling them like crazy on every gone going out.

[Mr.Cip]

The safety device is a requirement under CA state laws. [PC 23635(a)]
^Showing a receipt for a CA approved safety device, purchased within 30 days, is an exemption to this. [PC 23635(c)]



Penal Code 23635

[Quiet]

I looked up PC23635. There is a subdivision (b) that’s missing above…

(b) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from subdivision (a) if both of the following apply:
(1) The purchaser or transferee owns a gun safe that meets the standards set forth in Section 23650. Gun safes shall not be required to be tested, and therefore may meet the standards without appearing on the Department of Justice roster.
(2) The purchaser or transferee presents an original receipt for purchase of the gun safe, or other proof of purchase or ownership of the gun safe as authorized by the Attorney General, to the firearms dealer. The dealer shall maintain a copy of this receipt or proof of purchase with the dealer’s record of sales of firearms.

Excluded because it does not apply to handguns due to Federal laws. [18 USC 922(z)(1)]


18 USC 922
(z) Secure Gun Storage or Safety Device.—
(1) In general.—
Except as provided under paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer any handgun to any person other than any person licensed under this chapter, unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device (as defined in section 921(a)(34)) for that handgun.
(2) Exceptions.—Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
(A)(i) the manufacture for, transfer to, or possession by, the United States, a department or agency of the United States, a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, of a handgun; or
(ii) the transfer to, or possession by, a law enforcement officer employed by an entity referred to in clause (i) of a handgun for law enforcement purposes (whether on or off duty); or
(B) the transfer to, or possession by, a rail police officer directly employed by or contracted by a rail carrier and certified or commissioned as a police officer under the laws of a State of a handgun for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);
(C) the transfer to any person of a handgun listed as a curio or relic by the Secretary pursuant to section 921(a)(13); or
(D) the transfer to any person of a handgun for which a secure gun storage or safety device is temporarily unavailable for the reasons described in the exceptions stated in section 923(e), if the licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer delivers to the transferee within 10 calendar days from the date of the delivery of the handgun to the transferee a secure gun storage or safety device for the handgun.
(3) Liability for use.—
(A) In general.—
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has lawful possession and control of a handgun, and who uses a secure gun storage or safety device with the handgun, shall be entitled to immunity from a qualified civil liability action.
(B) Prospective actions.—
A qualified civil liability action may not be brought in any Federal or State court.
(C) Defined term.—As used in this paragraph, the term “qualified civil liability action”—
(i) means a civil action brought by any person against a person described in subparagraph (A) for damages resulting from the criminal or unlawful misuse of the handgun by a third party, if—
(I) the handgun was accessed by another person who did not have the permission or authorization of the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun to have access to it; and
(II) at the time access was gained by the person not so authorized, the handgun had been made inoperable by use of a secure gun storage or safety device; and
(ii) shall not include an action brought against the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun for negligent entrustment or negligence per se.

[boattail]

I have never been required to buy a lock on any firearm I have purchased in the last ten years. I bought at least three a year, both handguns and rifles, and was only asked to fill out an affidavit that I have a safe and what model it is. Three different stores for these transactions.

Maybe I am just lucky up here in the sticks.

[Dvrjon]

I did a PPT today at a LGS I’ve never dealt with before. I was the buyer. It was the that seller’s preferred shop.
The LGS required me to buy a lock in addition to the cost of the DROS and transfer. They said it was a requirement of Alameda County. Is this actually a requirement?
I just don’t remember ever having to buy an additional lock. The pistol I was buying had a lock in the box. I could very well be incorrect and unknowledgeable of the law.

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Highly probable that the lock provided originally came with the firearm from the mfg, thereby meeting the provisions of code cited by Quiet….

Penal Code 23635
(a) Any firearm sold or transferred in this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including a private transfer through a dealer, and any firearm manufactured in this state, shall include or be accompanied by a firearm safety device that is listed on the Department of Justice’s roster of approved firearm safety devices and that is identified as appropriate for that firearm by reference to either the manufacturer and model of the firearm, or to the physical characteristics of the firearm that match those listed on the roster for use with the device.

[Quiet]

Highly probable that the lock provided originally came with the firearm from the mfg, thereby meeting the provisions of code cited by Quiet….

The manufacturer's safety device also needs to be approved by CA DOJ in order to qualify.

CA DOJ Firearm Safety Devices Certified for Sale

Penal Code 23635
(a) Any firearm sold or transferred in this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including a private transfer through a dealer, and any firearm manufactured in this state, shall include or be accompanied by a firearm safety device that is listed on the Department of Justice’s roster of approved firearm safety devices and that is identified as appropriate for that firearm by reference to either the manufacturer and model of the firearm, or to the physical characteristics of the firearm that match those listed on the roster for use with the device.

[sfe187]

You went to an FFL who is a stickler. Many other FFLs don't bother to sell you a lock if one is presented already. Each store each rules. Next time call ahead to verify their lock policy and if thats the case, bypass by buying a lock from Walmart, return after 10 days.

[ar15barrels]

I did a PPT today at a LGS I’ve never dealt with before.
I was the buyer.
It was the that seller’s preferred shop.
The LGS required me to buy a lock in addition to the cost of the DROS and transfer.
They said it was a requirement of Alameda County.
Is this actually a requirement?
I just don’t remember ever having to buy an additional lock.
The pistol I was buying had a lock in the box.
I could very well be incorrect and unknowledgeable of the law.

Keep your receipt.
As soon as you take the gun out to your vehicle, go back into the store and return the lock.

The requirement for you to have a recent purchased lock to take possession of the gun is complete once the gun has left the store.

[Cheep]

A LGS that unfortunately is now out of business used to have a box of locks and would say take one if you need it or leave one if you want.