Some help

[Glock619]

I see where your coming from. I'll be using my car and since I'm ic I am not covered by company. So....

Also if I do decide to carry my strong will show to passenger. Unless I can cover in car, bit would that be conceal?

Sorry, can't type with iPod

[Alan Block]

I think he drives his car with his gas and his insurance

The add (in Craigslist) listed 100-140/night before tips I suppose, but gas has to be a pretty big chunk of that. One thing to think about when deciding to carry without a CCW is that this is a business operating on the edge of legality. Should it cross over and you get nabbed carrying it could mean extra time.

[Glock619]

Well from what I was told it's 300. 100$ for cancel and so on. But it's not for the night, it's the hour.

LOL. You looking too much in that section

[Turbinator]

Wait. I don't get the issue. Why is it a concern if the "dancer" sees you are armed? Isn't that a good thing?

Also - what do you mean by "dancer" - are we talking ballet, rap, musicals, or what? Or exotic?

Turby

[Stormfeather]

This is basically driving strippers around to gigs, you got to watch yourself, because this can rapidly deteriorate into driving hookers around to their next trick. Would I carry? No, but I would probably have a gun in a lockbox, but as for concealed carry, no. As for your guard card, I believe you have to be employed by a company for it to be valid. Since you stated you are IC, then you dont have business insurance to cover you or a business permit either then I take it? If something goes drastically wrong, you can be guaranteed you will be the one to get the short end of the stick. Tread softly here Glock19, its not worth what it will cost you if you get caught carrying. If you are going to do the gig anyways, get an experienced driver to show you the ropes. BSIS isnt a qualification to do PSD, and just because you have a guard card and a weapons permit, doesnt mean you should without proper training. Im not bagging on you, im just wanting you to know the ramifications.

[Glock619]

This is basically driving strippers around to gigs, you got to watch yourself, because this can rapidly deteriorate into driving hookers around to their next trick. Would I carry? No, but I would probably have a gun in a lockbox, but as for concealed carry, no. As for your guard card, I believe you have to be employed by a company for it to be valid. Since you stated you are IC, then you dont have business insurance to cover you or a business permit either then I take it? If something goes drastically wrong, you can be guaranteed you will be the one to get the short end of the stick. Tread softly here Glock19, its not worth what it will cost you if you get caught carrying. If you are going to do the gig anyways, get an experienced driver to show you the ropes. BSIS isnt a qualification to do PSD, and just because you have a guard card and a weapons permit, doesnt mean you should without proper training. Im not bagging on you, im just wanting you to know the ramifications.

Thank you, that is the info I wanted to hear. I was just thinking of have a locked box tethered to back seat or something. I understand the thin line between dancer to hooker. The company does not tolerate it. The company will place me with another driver for training.

Yes, dancers are strippers, just guess it's politically right to call them adult dancers/entertainers.

As for training, I'm looking into future weapons for just like you said, anyone can pay and do a course and get permit.

[Beelzy]

You should just carry a nice fixed blade knife, the shinier the better.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

You should just carry a nice fixed blade knife, the shinier the better.

No! No, no, no, no. Our knife laws have some really freakin weird loopholes in them. Fixed blades are more trouble than they are worth. A folder, on the other hand, can be carried concealled regardless of how big it is. Go do google search on California knife laws. Believe it or not, with folders, our knife laws are downright liberal. If you can rig a 4 foot claymore to be a folder, you could carry it concealled just about anyplace you want short of on k-12 school property (no stupid 1000' limit) and government buildings.

-Mb

[MP301]

Just so you know which laws your breaking.

There is no legal IC in the security world. If you are not a w-2 employee, and you do not have a Private Patrol Operators license, then you are in violation of a B&P section (two lazy to look it up for you) and IIRC, its misdemeanor.

Having a guard and gun card is great, but unless you have a uniform - which consists of a badge and two patches that say the appropriate things on them, you would be guilty of carrying a loaded gun in public and CCW...both misdemeanors (unless you gun is not registered to you and then its a felony)for the CCW)

Now, if you have a valid guard card AND gun card AND your employer paid you regular payroll at least for a the hours you worked (tips could be seperate) AND you had a uniform, a PPO is not needed and you would be legal.

So, if I was you I would do the following:

Keep a firearm in the vehicle locked up CA legal (use a combo lock and set it for one digit of the opening code). Leave it in the car or you risk the above penalties. But remember, cars get broken into, so I would make sure it aint easy to steal.

Carry on your person inside the location a can of OC and a taser. Both legal to have, conceal and carry. Taser's are an amazing thing. Get one with a laser and I can promise you in most circumstances turning on the laser and barking a few commands stops all the Bulls**t. Most people, drunk or otherwise might not think you will shoot them with a gun, but know damn skippy you will zap em with a taser! (I have done just that at least a hundred times since i have been carrying one and I have never had to fire it ...amazing tool.

You want to have a cell phone handy that you set up in advance with the emergency number for the local LE agency with jurisdiction to your specific location. 911 on a cell phone sucks unless you actually need CHP, because you end up having to give details twice. You used to be able to just ask for the agency you want without getting into details, but due to dropped calls while transfering, you know have to give the whole spiel twice. Make sure you have the actual address of where your at handy so you can get help if you need it in a timely manner.

One last thing... You will be standing around while a bunch of drunk guys druell and act obnoxious. You need to maintain a confident and nuetral demeanor. If you appear weak its not good if someone gets outta control...and if you appear menacing, its just as bad, cause what does a drunk like as much as women? Fighting! And looking menacing can provoke some drunks (ask me how i know this?)

Know what your getting into. You will always be way outnumbered. Things will go smoothly the majority of the time, but be prepared.

I have been to these (usually bachlor parties) before and you need to understand that these girls do far more then dance. Find out from them beforehand what to expect and at what point she wants your involvement.... If you jump in and try to save the day before its necessary, then things can hit the fan or you get a lousy tip... Keep your mind on your job and not your erection. If you are not paying close attention to your surroundings, the surprise ending you get might not be a good one....

Good luck amigo!

[jamespres2001]

IMO, If you are guarding the girls or acting like a bouncer - Man You are an employee and the above applies. If you are guarding the company's money you are an Employee. You should be getting Guard pay. I would only carry to protect myself - and only if legal (CCW?).
My Step daughter was a 'Stripper Bookie' for a time and sometimes she would drive the girls to the gigs, and wait outside, her boss told her, her only responsibility was to call 911 IF she heard a scream. The money was the girls problem. Nothing ever happened (thank God).

[Glock619]

Ok thanks for clarifying. I asked my friend. His Leo and said the same almost about uniform and all. I started Friday and trainer said to get me some pepper spray, would like a taser.

I have my gun in the box with cable. Don't take it out for the reason of uniform.

I get 10% of dancers deposit then 30-50% off tips. 10% is what the company is paying me.


I don't to in either. I stand outside and listen of goes bad.

Any other tips? I'm thinking of just doing weekends now. Would a polo with guard stitched in help?

[highpowermatch]

If you can legally carry, then carry!

[Glock619]

I called bill desy. He said it falls in a grey area. But like you said, if it was legal to, I would, but since it's so hard I'll just lock it up and get krav maya and pepper spray

[MP301]

Sounds like you can be classified as a driver and not security. The good part is, that you dont fall under the BSIS laws regarding security.

Make sure you you work out a special word or phrase the dancers that tells you that there is a problem, even if they are not screaming...so you can get help...

Sounds like an easy gig...have fun and make some money. Dont stress about things going wrong...it usually doesnt...just pay attention and relax....

[Glock619]

Sounds like you can be classified as a driver and not security. The good part is, that you dont fall under the BSIS laws regarding security.

Make sure you you work out a special word or phrase the dancers that tells you that there is a problem, even if they are not screaming...so you can get help...

Sounds like an easy gig...have fun and make some money. Dont stress about things going wrong...it usually doesnt...just pay attention and relax....

ya, thanks for advice.
after working, thats exactly what it is, driver/bouncer. there was no need for my permits and such.

thanks a lot you guys for the advice and heads up.
i just carry in car locked.