Texas LTC Instructors Opposing Permitless Carry...

[-hanko]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/some-texas-ltc-instructors-opposing-permitless-carry-as-bill-advances-for-a-house-vote-video/

[Bigtwin]

That's kind of pathetic, but also not too surprising. They're looking out for themselves and their jobs nothing more.

[heidad01]

Umm, history lesson,

Back in the day, almost all FFLs were hooting and hawlering that all PPTs must go thru the FFLs.
How are those FFLs behaving now when you walk in to do a PPT?

These same LTC instructors who are against constitutional carry will come up with some dog and pony show to make citizens' lives miserable and impose some bull crap later.

[ENTHUSIAST]

Self serving scum bags.

[RobinGoodfellow]

Rent seekers gonna seek rents.

[Fjold]

That's no different than the cops and prison guards supporting the democraps here in Cali to safeguard their privileges and pensions,

[hermosabeach]

Given how the media requests CCW holder’s information
Given how NY published all CCW holders home addresses including prison guards

It shows - lists are bad

[nitroxdiver]

[NavCop]

It's the same reason democrats don't want election audits - self preservation.

[land locked]

Same story everywhere positive support to our seond amendment is brought up. Sellouts and chicken littles. These Texas LTC "instructors" are thinking about their own hide. If they were worth a damn, they would still have a business after CC is adopted by providing quality instruction to new and experienced gun owners. I am guessing they know their limitations.

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[Gun Kraft]

It's easy to have a knee-jerk reaction to this (and I certainly did on first read) but it could also be more nuanced as well. I don't know. But here are some thoughts to consider, both pro and con:

• While getting my Utah CCW instructor cert renewed the presenter repeated an anecdote about a previous class where an instructor asked her if Utah BCI could limit the number of instructors that were certified. Apparently teaching the class was a cash cow and he didn't want competition driving down prices. That didn't sit very well with the presenter, whose goal was to get as many instructors certified as possible.
• It's likewise possible income is Krieger's primary motivation and safety the false flag he's waving. Hard to say.
• I wonder how many students Krieger had to fail or were marginal? Could that be influencing his decision?
• Is it possible some potential students never even thought to sign up for a class or apply because they knew they couldn't meet the (probably low) standards of the class? And constitutional carry would now allow them to skip even that low bar.
• You don't know what you don't know. Is a four hour class that unreasonable a burden, and if something taught in the class helps save your life or avoid a legal mess, isn't that worth it?

As a CCW instructor I admit I'm biased. I think there's important training everyone carrying concealed should have. But I'm also conflicted because I don't know what the minimum should be because how do you put a value on your life? I reconcile that difference by trying to put as much material into my required hours classes so students get the best possible value. That and trying to keep the price low as well.

As for the question of constitutional carry, I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand I think every state should be shall issue. On the other, I think everyone who carries should do so safely and responsibly. Constitutional carry by definition doesn't include any means to ensure safe and responsible CCW, which means there has to be other mechanisms to ensure that. Yes there are states like Arizona that have constitutional carry and it seems to be working well. Does that mean it can work well for all states? I don't know. Everyone should have the right to carry, but only if they do so safely and responsibly.

[Quickdraw559]

Rights cannot and should not be licensed or permitted. That defeats the whole purpose of having rights to begin with. Maybe all those who advocate for permitted carry should be thrown in jail with no trail until they pay a fee to speak.

Scumbags love to place restrictions on rights for $$$.

[land locked]

As for the question of constitutional carry, I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand I think every state should be shall issue. On the other, I think everyone who carries should do so safely and responsibly. Constitutional carry by definition doesn't include any means to ensure safe and responsible CCW, which means there has to be other mechanisms to ensure that. Yes there are states like Arizona that have constitutional carry and it seems to be working well. Does that mean it can work well for all states? I don't know. Everyone should have the right to carry, but only if they do so safely and responsibly.

I am going to disagree with you on several points.

Shall issue and CC are two different things.

Many people learn to safely handle and shoot firearms long before they attend paid formal training if they ever do. Its been happening since before the US was the US.

20 other states have proven that CC works without .gov interference.

Saying everyone has the right to carry but adding "but" conditions doesnt really make it much of a right. Apply that to speech and other important things.



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[003]

It's easy to have a knee-jerk reaction to this (and I certainly did on first read) but it could also be more nuanced as well. I don't know. But here are some thoughts to consider, both pro and con:

• While getting my Utah CCW instructor cert renewed the presenter repeated an anecdote about a previous class where an instructor asked her if Utah BCI could limit the number of instructors that were certified. Apparently teaching the class was a cash cow and he didn't want competition driving down prices. That didn't sit very well with the presenter, whose goal was to get as many instructors certified as possible.
• It's likewise possible income is Krieger's primary motivation and safety the false flag he's waving. Hard to say.
• I wonder how many students Krieger had to fail or were marginal? Could that be influencing his decision?
• Is it possible some potential students never even thought to sign up for a class or apply because they knew they couldn't meet the (probably low) standards of the class? And constitutional carry would now allow them to skip even that low bar.
• You don't know what you don't know. Is a four hour class that unreasonable a burden, and if something taught in the class helps save your life or avoid a legal mess, isn't that worth it?

As a CCW instructor I admit I'm biased. I think there's important training everyone carrying concealed should have. But I'm also conflicted because I don't know what the minimum should be because how do you put a value on your life? I reconcile that difference by trying to put as much material into my required hours classes so students get the best possible value. That and trying to keep the price low as well.

As for the question of constitutional carry, I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand I think every state should be shall issue. On the other, I think everyone who carries should do so safely and responsibly. Constitutional carry by definition doesn't include any means to ensure safe and responsible CCW, which means there has to be other mechanisms to ensure that. Yes there are states like Arizona that have constitutional carry and it seems to be working well. Does that mean it can work well for all states? I don't know. Everyone should have the right to carry, but only if they do so safely and responsibly.

Clearly self serving, and not in the interest of the greater shooting community. 20 states have constitutional carry. I would like to see some honest statistics relative to problems. Constitutional rights should not be licensed or managed by the Government.

[Solanaco]

I believe that training is beneficial, but should not be required.

It would be great if we did not require training, but gave a tax benefit for receiving training instead. Use government funds for this discount instead of giving it to gun grabbers.