Buying firearm without utility bill

[sonofeugene]

Doesn't a passport work as well?

[9Cal_OC]

Doesn't a passport work as well?

[ThinkKrink415]

Car registration

[Foothills]

Unless the billing system changes...

Back in 2017, when it was time to register our BBRAWs, we could call PG&E and added our daughter's name to our utility bill. We then went to our account online and printed out the PG&E bill with her name on it.

Electronic archived invoices disappeared with the power company billing system changeover. Unfortunately I needed it THAT DAY. Kind of stared at my computer for a minute realizing they were all erased.

Luckily the gas company ones were available.

[hollowpoint67]

Rental agreement is the easiest if Car Reg and Utility bills are not an option.

[Quiet]

Doesn't a passport work as well?

Valid US Passport can be used as proof of legally being in the USA, but can not be used as proof of residency in CA.

My daughter [ who lives with us ]
Wants to buy her own pistol .
She has FSC ,

Since she does not rent or own a house
No utility bills
What other forms will she need to bring

She will need documentation showing "proof of residency". [11 CCR 4045]

If she has a FLA (Federal Limits Apply) CA DL/ID, then she will also need proof of legally being in the USA. [11 CCR 4045.1]


11 CCR 4045
The following definitions and requirements apply to documents intended to serve as evidence of residency for the acquisition of a handgun pursuant to Penal Code section 26845:
a.1. “Utility bill” means a statement of charges for providing direct service to the individual's residence by either a physical connection (i.e., hard wired telephone or cable connection, or a water or gas pipeline connection), or a telemetric connection (i.e., satellite television or radio broadcast service) to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device.
2. The utility bill statement date must be within three months of the current date.
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form.
B. The individual's residential address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
b.1. “Residential lease” means either of the following:
A. A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time.
B. A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.
2. The residential lease must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
c.1. “Property deed” means either of the following:
A. A valid deed of trust for the individual's property of current residence that identifies the individual as a grantee of the trust.
B. A valid Certificate of Title issued by a licensed title insurance company that identifies the individual as a title holder to his or her property of current residence.
2. The property deed must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
d. “Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice” means either of the following:
1. A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
2. A valid peace officer credential issued by a California law enforcement agency to an active, reserve, or retired peace officer.

11 CCR 4045.1
This section applies to all firearms and ammunition eligibility checks, including any eligibility check described in Division 5. For the purposes of this section, “eligibility checks” refers to background checks based on any application or report for which an applicant is required to submit a driver license or identification card, or the number from a driver license or identification card, so that the Department of Justice may determine the applicant's eligibility to possess a firearm or ammunition under state or federal law.
(a) For all eligibility checks, a copy of the applicant's California driver license or identification card, or out-of-state driver license, if applicable, shall be submitted, as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g).
(b) For all eligibility checks, if the applicant presents a federal non-compliant California driver license or identification card with the notation “FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY” on the front, the applicant shall also submit proof of lawful presence in the United States, as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g), in the form of one of the following documents:
(1) Valid, unexpired U.S. passport or passport card.
(2) Certified copy of U.S. birth certificate (issued by a city, county, or state vital statistics office). “Abbreviated” or “Abstract” certificates are NOT accepted.
(3) Certification of Birth Abroad (FS-545), Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350) or Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (FS-240), issued by the U.S. Department of State.
(4) Valid, unexpired foreign passport with valid U.S. immigrant visa and approved Record of Arrival/Departure (I-94) form.
(5) Certified copy of birth certificate from a U.S. Territory.
(6) Certificate of Naturalization or U.S. Citizenship.
(7) Valid, unexpired Permanent Resident Card.
(c) For all eligibility checks, if the applicant's name as it appears on the federal non-compliant California driver license or identification card differs from the name on the proof of lawful presence document submitted in accordance with subdivision (b), the applicant shall also submit, as specified in subdivisions (d) through (g), one of the following certified documents:
(1) An adoption document that contains the legal name of the applicant as a result of the adoption.
(2) A name change document that contains the applicant's legal name both before and, as a result of, the name change.
(3) A marriage certificate.
(4) A dissolution of marriage document that contains the legal name of the applicant as a result of the court action.
(5) A certificate, declaration or registration document verifying the formation of a domestic partnership.
(6) A dissolution of domestic partnership document that contains the legal name of the applicant as a result of the court action.

[HibikiR]

Guys, the OP's daughter wants to buy her first pistol. How could she have a CCW?

If the daughter had an 03FFL and COE, why would the OP even ask what other proof of residency would suffice?
-P

You misinterpreted what I was getting at. Under the assumption that she has none of the paperwork mentioned then she'll have to get something.

That means:
-Going out and either getting a "lease agreement" (notarized?) with her parents, or
-Going out and getting a fishing/hunting license, or
-Going out and getting a 03FFL

Now keep in mind that with ammo as it is, getting an 03FFL+COE is beneficial for her if she wants access to online ammo.

[ar15barrels]

My daughter [ who lives with us ]
Wants to buy her own pistol .
She has FSC ,

Since she does not rent or own a house
No utility bills
What other forms will she need to bring

Write her a lease agreement.

https://eforms.com/images/2015/10/California-Standard-Residential-Lease-Agreement.pdf

[AregularGuy]

Give her one of your guns via inter familial transfer then you go buy another for yourself.

[edgerly779]

Give her a gift of whatever firearm she wants she will get in the end anyway. If she lives with you money is likely tight and it is 100% legal. My son gets all my guns anyway so why wait.

[AregularGuy]

Give her a gift of whatever firearm she wants she will get in the end anyway. If she lives with you money is likely tight and it is 100% legal. My son gets all my guns anyway so why wait.

If you buy as a "gift" I think they still have to do DROS. Vs, gift one from already owned collection.

[morrcarr67]

If you buy as a "gift" I think they still have to do DROS. Vs, gift one from already owned collection.

No.

You could go down to the store and buy a gun as a gift for your grandparent/parent/child and give it to them the minute you walk in the door. All they would need to do is fill out the paperwork and pay the tribute to the state of california.

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[Eat Dirt]

How about ::
Guard Card
Issued by Bureau of Security and Investigative Services

https://Www.bsis.ca.gov

Auto Insurance paperwork from AAA

[HibikiR]

How about ::
Guard Card
Issued by Bureau of Security and Investigative Services

https://Www.bsis.ca.gov

Auto Insurance paperwork from AAA

The first one is even more work than many previous suggestions because your daughter would need to complete something like "Power to arrest" training along with LiveScan background checks. I'd rather go get an 03FFL over that.

The second one is not on the list of approved documents according to CA law.

[AregularGuy]

No.

You could go down to the store and buy a gun as a gift for your grandparent/parent/child and give it to them the minute you walk in the door. All they would need to do is fill out the paperwork and pay the tribute to the state of california.

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Perfect! This is your answer OP!