Ghost guns - need info

[dk94044]

“why” put everything in “quotes” is it code for jail sex?

[SVT-40]

Your question ( fishing expedition ) is suspect at best. You sound like a FED trying to entrap someone.

Why. 80% receivers are Federally legal. If the Fed's had issues. Why are there hundreds of retailers including Brownells and Midway selling 80% receivers?

OP just Google 80% receivers...

[Sir_Ricardo]

Some of you cool dudes are paranoid.

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The ATF is tracking you now. They have your dog in the crosshairs as we speak. The best thing you can do is delete this thread and be sorry you even thought of doing such a thing.

OP, have you just been rescued from a deserted island?

OP likely been in a coma to not have heard all this. Ship sailed on ghost guns years ago. use 80% lowers in search an do a lot of reading.

Plot twist. The OP is ATF

Your question ( fishing expedition ) is suspect at best. You sound like a FED trying to entrap someone.

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Having said that, I appreciate all the replies.

I would have chimed in, but for some reason, don't get email alerts when people post on this thread. Probably a settings issue.

The reason I posted to begin with is because I'm trying to figure out if this "ghost gun" issue is a PC scare, or is a realistic problem. I didn't know they were called 80% receivers, I'll look into that. But it's the scale of the issue that I'm wondering about. Just how bad is this? Are ghost guns really a problem, or it is all overblown?

That's what I am trying to figure out.

thanks - Richard

[IVC]

It's not legal to make your own receiver/firearm in CA without first requesting a serial number and submitting all the details of the gun for registration.
Since that's the rule now, it's no longer as appealing to build your own receivers/firearms.

OP likely been in a coma to not have heard all this. Ship sailed on ghost guns years ago. use 80% lowers in search an do a lot of reading.

The ban is supposed to stop *criminals* from getting guns, not the law abiding who can get a gun at the regular store.

So, if you're a prohibited person who cannot own a gun but is willing to risk being caught as "felon in possession," this law will just make you reconsider because you don't want to be charged with purchasing a blank in addition to being charged with murder and drug dealing. Better to just steal the gun and not deal with ghosts, less penalty too.

It's a great law to have on books, much like "gun free zones" at schools prevented so many mass shootings because psychos had to bring a knife instead of guns, and magazine capacity laws prevented other mass shootings because psychos had to reload more often. We might soon even get laws that ban murder and then the violence will finally stop. You never know.

[Devilock04]

Plot twist. The OP is ATF

[tabascoz28]

One only need to see the inflated prices in the marketplace and gunbroker to see that people will do whatever to make money. If there's and angle, someone's playing it.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

...The reason I posted to begin with is because I'm trying to figure out if this "ghost gun" issue is a PC scare, or is a realistic problem. I didn't know they were called 80% receivers, I'll look into that. But it's the scale of the issue that I'm wondering about. Just how bad is this? Are ghost guns really a problem, or it is all overblown?

That's what I am trying to figure out.

thanks - Richard

The reason for the 'paranoia'... (bearing in mind that if someone is really out to 'get you,' it's not necessarily paranoia to believe someone is out to get you and we know that some Government agents/agencies scan this site)... is that the issue has been a 'major' one in California and nationwide for quite some time. To have a member with a low post count 'suddenly discover' it and wonder if it's an issue legitimately brings questions to mind.

With that said, in California, this should allude to the real problem; i.e., that it's largely and inaccurately in the minds of politicians bent on stripping legal rights from the law-abiding...



As has been noted on numerous threads, there is no 'database' of so-called 'ghost guns' which is kept by police. That alone should suggest something. A further 'suggestion' should be found in the idea that BATFE does NOT consider it a problem and California (along with other jurisdictions) is attempting to 'force' a definition change via the Courts rather than through actual legislation...

Families Of Shooting Victims Sue Sellers Of 'Ghost Guns' (Update 1/28/21)

State of California, et al. vs. BATFE, et al. - "Ghost Guns" - Filed 9/29/20

A major problem for them, legislatively, is that, as I said, BATFE doesn't consider it 'a problem' based on the definition of a firearm and getting a Court decision declaring it so would circumvent the legislative issue...

Feds drop case over AR-15 definition (Joseph Roh, building ARs)

The short version is that the media and the Left are portraying it as... buy kit, no background check, assemble firearm, kill people en masse, must ban because... in the sense that it's so easy, any 6-fingered buster can do it on their dining room table. It's not, quite, that simple or straightforward. You might want to look at BATFE's FAQ page related to receiver blanks. The bottom line is that there is some 'machining' involved...



How 'difficult' that machining is has become part of the 'debate' and misrepresentation. Does it simply take a jig and a drill or is a CNC machine required and does it require 'classified information' for either to make it work? These are questions which have been addressed, numerous times on this and other sites.

As has been suggested, there are A LOT of threads and posts on this site related to the issue and, frankly, most are unlikely to want (or hesitant) to cover the ground... again... when it can be readily looked up and California DOJ is 'watching' with all the new 'registration' laws in this State. But, a place to start might be...

80% lowers MERGED THREADS - please ask in here, not a new thread

Enjoy your research.

[kcheung2]

You keep asking if an inanimate object is the problem. No it's not. If your law abiding neighbor had a self-made firearm, no one would care. But if a criminal then stole it, it would cause concern. Same inanimate object, did it suddenly become evil? The only variable that changed is the person in control, not the object itself.

Stop following the prohibitionists' game plan. Blocks of aluminum, or books on how to machine parts, or even an imprinted template on a sheet of metal is not a problem. Buying into the lefty's propaganda that this is a problem, that's the real problem.

[divingin]

Are ghost guns really a problem, or it is all overblown?

I've never seen a ghost gun carjack someone without help... I don't remember any ghost gun breaking quarantine and going to the French Laundry for a party.

What kind of problem are you concerned about? You haven't really asked anything other than a really general question.

It's legal to build one in CA, but following the law is so convoluted that it's largely not worth it.

[TheReluctantCraftstronaut]

Plot twist. The OP is ATF

So he has his own dog in the crosshairs?

[Sir_Ricardo]

You are confused. I never said I was not ATF.

[ar15barrels]

I never said I was not ATF.

You probably should.

[Quickdraw559]

You are confused. I never said I was not ATF.

[ARDude]

Everybody knows that "ghost guns" are made and used by GHOSTS! wooooo

Scary....

[ohsmily]

"Ghost gun" is a BS antigun propaganda term. Purge it from your vocabulary.