Ammo and handgun same container

[rogerthedodger]

[drkphibr]

You can have ammo and unloaded handgun in the same LOCKED container. That doesn’t necessarily guarantee the officer pulling you over actually knows that, however.

[edgerly779]

yes.

[Tarmy]

[The War Wagon]

Uhhh... sure.

[Oceanbob]

[Oceanbob]

when he asks about guns in the vehicle.

The answer is always No.

[rogerthedodger]

Oceanbob, what is the law allowing this?

[AregularGuy]

Oceanbob, what is the law allowing this?

CHP used tp have an FAQ, this was the Q and A from that site. Seems the FAQ for firearms is no longer working. Someone else may chime in with more specifics of the PC, etc.

"I will be traveling to California and want to carry my weapon. I currently have a concealed weapon permit. How can I legally transport my weapon while driving through the state?

California law does not recognize concealed weapon permits from other states; therefore, they would not be held valid. If you wish to transport a handgun during your California visit, it should be carried unloaded in a locked container. In the absence of a suitable container, you may secure the unloaded handgun in the locked trunk of a passenger car. Ammunition may be kept in the same container or trunk, but the handgun must remain unloaded with no rounds in the cylinder and no loaded magazines in the magazine well."

[Mayor McRifle]

Yes.

[rogerthedodger]

I would like to see the statute that states this. Anybody?

[Librarian]

I would like to see the statute that states this. Anybody?

Other way around - no statute prohibits.

See the wiki article, http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in..._in_California

[rogerthedodger]

Thank you librarian. My daughter attended a entry level handgun course, and the retired Leo instructor told her not to have them in the locked bag together.

[RickD427]

The short answer is "It depends." Those folks advising, without qualification, that the ammo and weapon can be legally carried in the same bag are ignoring California's special definition of when a weapon is "Loaded."

If you are in a place where the general definition of "Loaded" applies (which is nearly all of the state) then you can carry the weapon and ammunition in the same bag so long as the weapon itself is not loaded. Please refer to Penal Code section 16840(b) and to People v Clark.

If you are in a place, or circumstance, where the special definition of "Loaded" applies, then the weapon is loaded if the weapon and ammunition are in the immediate possession of the same person. Please refer to Penal Code section 16840(a). The special definition applies to specified government buildings and residences of specified government officials, to portions of the city of Sacramento, to gun shows, and to circumstances where a firearm is carried with the intent to commit a felony.

As Librarian has correctly pointed out, statutes are written to prohibit, or to mandate, specific actions. Statutes are not written to permit action. Therefore, you ain't gonna find a statute that permits the carrying of a firearm and ammunition in the same container. By the same reasoning, you're not going to find a statute that permits you to eat corn flakes for breakfast.

[Mayor McRifle]

As Librarian has correctly pointed out, statutes are written to prohibit, or to mandate, specific actions. Statutes are not written to permit action.

How would you describe self-defense laws?