Call to Arms! Next SD UOC OUTING!

[pullnshoot25]

OK, so it has been requested and now it shall be granted. Elsensei and I are organizing this event and it will be happening sometime in June.

In preparation for it, we have to get a few things squared away...

1) You have to be an active member at Calguns.net or Opencarry.org OR personally know me or my brother to receive a direct invite to this event.

2) If you have a low post count or are a total newbie and would like to attend, we would love to have you along! To get on the list, you need to have a more active and senior member, in writing, vouch for you. This is to eliminate trolling LEOs, media members, etc.

3) If you have already signed up before for the failed April 19th UOC outing (sorry that didn't happen, but there was some weird crap going on at the time and I did not want to legally endanger my fellow UOCers), it is not necessary to respond, as I already have your contact information. However, if you would like to RSVP anyways then feel free to do so. Its not like emails don't cost $.44 or anything

That's all for now. Keep in mind that this will best the last UOC outing in February by a long shot! (pun intended!)

Either PM or email me at trackerpacker@gmail.com to RSVP. If you email me, include your username so I can verify you.

CARRY ON!

-N8

[pullnshoot25]

Bump. Seriously, no one is interested besides the core group?

[gun toting monkeyboy]

Bump. Seriously, no one is interested besides the core group?

You gotta give it more time. Not all of us can lurk in the forums all day.

-Mb

[gravedigger]

Well, you know what they say about ***-u-m(ing), but I will assume I am a member in good standing, and since Mulay el Raisuli and myself were the ONLY two who showed up on April 19th, despite the (completely reasonable and not entirely unfounded) fears of OC in Oceanside (which is STILL a very big concern for me because I KNOW the mind state of OPD), I will make every effort to be there for this one, as soon as I know the when and where and weigh the risks.

I REALLY think we should produce a pocket-sized mini-DVD, even if it is amateur-ish in nature, so that we have lots of copies to hand out to curious onlookers and inquisitive spunky old grannies. I can burn copies on my computers once something is put together. Perhaps a collection of the "Thomas Payne" common sense videos, along with a clear no-nonsense explanation of the 2A, Heller, Incorporation and so forth.

It is one thing to OC in public for the sake of exercising our 2A right, and another thing to professionally, respectfully and non-confrontationally distribute information to the folks who peer at us from behind trees while calling 9-1-1 to report "a bunch of people with guns!" standing among LEOs who receive the calls on their radios while mingling with us.

Also, I really think the media should be made aware of it, but ONLY on the morning of the event, so they can't publish a lot of anti-gun fear mongering B.S. in the days prior to it for the purpose of stirring the s**t hoping to get an accidental discharge story or some "exclusive" about whatever they will fabricate anyway. Rick Roberts, Roger Hedgecock and some other names come to mind as folks who should be aware of it, and invited to it!

Okay, hoping to receive the nitty gritty details in a PM soon!

[pullnshoot25]

Well, you know what they say about ***-u-m(ing), but I will assume I am a member in good standing, and since Mulay el Raisuli and myself were the ONLY two who showed up on April 19th, despite the (completely reasonable and not entirely unfounded) fears of OC in Oceanside (which is STILL a very big concern for me because I KNOW the mind state of OPD), I will make every effort to be there for this one, as soon as I know the when and where and weigh the risks.

I REALLY think we should produce a pocket-sized mini-DVD, even if it is amateur-ish in nature, so that we have lots of copies to hand out to curious onlookers and inquisitive spunky old grannies. I can burn copies on my computers once something is put together. Perhaps a collection of the "Thomas Payne" common sense videos, along with a clear no-nonsense explanation of the 2A, Heller, Incorporation and so forth.

It is one thing to OC in public for the sake of exercising our 2A right, and another thing to professionally, respectfully and non-confrontationally distribute information to the folks who peer at us from behind trees while calling 9-1-1 to report "a bunch of people with guns!" standing among LEOs who receive the calls on their radios while mingling with us.

Also, I really think the media should be made aware of it, but ONLY on the morning of the event, so they can't publish a lot of anti-gun fear mongering B.S. in the days prior to it for the purpose of stirring the s**t hoping to get an accidental discharge story or some "exclusive" about whatever they will fabricate anyway. Rick Roberts, Roger Hedgecock and some other names come to mind as folks who should be aware of it, and invited to it!

Okay, hoping to receive the nitty gritty details in a PM soon!

Oh dude, you are in good standing!

Wait, you and Mulay went on the 19th and OC'd? Really? Did anything happen?

This event will be in friendly turf, no doubt about it.

[ENTHUSIAST]

PM sent

[pullnshoot25]

Like I asked on OC.com, make it late June. 27th or 28th, as that will be the only free weekend I have that month!

I think that for you, we can change the date

Let me consult with the brother.

[asgalindez]

I hate to crap in anyone's thread, but...

I totally get what you guys are doing, and you have my support. I just don't get how you can rally behind something you believe all law-abiding citizens should be able to do, then say you can't attend unless you RSVP and are approved?

I understand that you don't want the "unsavory" sort or antis crashing the party. But what if my buddy wanted to attend, UOC, and he just happens to enjoy dressing like a "cholo"? Yet he's never been in trouble, arrested, or anything of that kind. He can't go because he "looks wrong" for the cause?

If you are true to your cause, you understand that you will have to take the good with the bad. People you may not like have the right to UOC just as much as you do. Picking and choosing who attends is like CA politicians saying "you can't be armed or CCW, even though I myself am packing and surrounded by armed security."

Again, I am behind what you guys are doing trying to get UOC out there and accepted by the rest of society. However, being able to attend only if you are on the guest list or approved by someone else just rubs me the wrong way. It seems very "elitist" - you can come, but only if we approve of you?

Like I said at the beginning, sorry to crap in your thread, Nate.

[pullnshoot25]

I hate to crap in anyone's thread, but...

I totally get what you guys are doing, and you have my support. I just don't get how you can rally behind something you believe all law-abiding citizens should be able to do, then say you can't attend unless you RSVP and are approved?

I understand that you don't want the "unsavory" sort or antis crashing the party. But what if my buddy wanted to attend, UOC, and he just happens to enjoy dressing like a "cholo"? Yet he's never been in trouble, arrested, or anything of that kind. He can't go because he "looks wrong" for the cause?

If you are true to your cause, you understand that you will have to take the good with the bad. People you may not like have the right to UOC just as much as you do. Picking and choosing who attends is like CA politicians saying "you can't be armed or CCW, even though I myself am packing and surrounded by armed security."

Again, I am behind what you guys are doing trying to get UOC out there and accepted by the rest of society. However, being able to attend only if you are on the guest list or approved by someone else just rubs me the wrong way. It seems very "elitist" - you can come, but only if we approve of you?

Like I said at the beginning, sorry to crap in your thread, Nate.

My goal is primarily limit police interaction on this one. There was too much interaction in the last one and while it went off OK, the planning that happened beforehand was just too much with their desire to plan our party out, e.g. planning to run random and warrantless checks, requesting we submit to the 12031 check voluntarily, etc. With the event that we are planning this time around, it would be unmanageable and as such I am cutting off the interaction with the police to just giving a day's courtesy notice and keeping the location obscure.

There will be other "doors open" events, but for this one there will be a "closed circuit" so to speak.

Your buddy can wear whatever the hell he wants if he wants to come, I have no problem with that, given that he doesn't act like a gangbanger, of course. In fact, if you can be cleared for this event then you can bring a friend if you want, we just need an official headcount for logistical and culinary purposes. Like I said before, the ONLY limitation is that you be an active CGN/OCDO member OR be vouched for by an active member OR attend with an approved member.

[asgalindez]

Thanks for trying to clear that up.

However, the idea that I need to be "cleared for this event", be an "active" CGN member, "vouched for" by an active member, or "with an approved member" (i.e. babysat) still rubs me the wrong way.

It's like you're telling everyone "It's cool if you wanna UOC, provided you are trustworthy in our eyes, or are accompanied by a supervising authority?" Isn't this the reason you don't want LEOs heavily involved in the first place?

It's your party and you can plan it any way you so desire. It's just the idea that a grown-@$$ man needs to be approved to partake in an event who's goal is wider community acceptance of UOC is probably why you haven't gotten the responses you were hoping for.

But I wish you guys the best in your endeavors!

(edited so I don't sound like I'm anti UOC)

ETA: Dude, your "shirt comment" thread got locked in less than 1 hour (46min to be exact). Is that a CGN record?

[pullnshoot25]

Thanks for trying to clear that up.

However, the idea that I need to be "cleared for this event", be an "active" CGN member, "vouched for" by an active member, or "with an approved member" (i.e. babysat) still rubs me the wrong way.

It's like you're telling everyone "It's cool if you wanna UOC, provided you are trustworthy in our eyes, or are accompanied by a supervising authority?" Isn't this the reason you don't want LEOs heavily involved in the first place?

It's your party and you can plan it any way you so desire. It's just the idea that a grown-@$$ man needs to be approved to partake in an event who's goal is wider community acceptance of UOC is probably why you haven't gotten the responses you were hoping for.

But I wish you guys the best in your endeavors!

(edited so I don't sound like I'm anti UOC)

ETA: Dude, your "shirt comment" thread got locked in less than 1 hour (46min to be exact). Is that a CGN record?

Well, lots of cops troll these threads and have low post counts. I am not trying to micromanage the party, I just don't want excessive interaction. The whole idea is to prevent a bunch of lame 12031 checks because if we start inviting cops, they know where we are going to be and will try to micromanage everything.

The whole "vouch for" thing has to do with recently indoctrinated CGN members that want to go but have low post counts and are friends with a more active member on the board. If a the old hand can vouch for the green hand then all is well.

Its kind of like guarding a henhouse. Sure, you can use any old dog to guard it, but do you want a Shepherd or a Fox? Even better, it is like bringing a friend to a party... if you care about your friend and the party, you don't bring a recovering alcoholic, right? Same concept applies when you go shooting: you don't invite untrustworthy people to go shooting. Last I checked, bullets still hurt and death still sucks.

I have a big list from the last time OC outing I put together and I have those that responded before the option of not responding because I have their info already.

There will be other UOC block parties, but this event just needs a little more control as it it more logistically complex.

[ENTHUSIAST]

...I understand that you don't want the "unsavory" sort or antis crashing the party. But what if my buddy wanted to attend, UOC, and he just happens to enjoy dressing like a "cholo"? Yet he's never been in trouble, arrested, or anything of that kind. He can't go because he "looks wrong" for the cause?

....

Again, I am behind what you guys are doing trying to get UOC out there and accepted by the rest of society. However, being able to attend only if you are on the guest list or approved by someone else just rubs me the wrong way. It seems very "elitist" ....

Dude asgalindez you are totally taking it the wrong way!!! PNS is ONLY trying to keep LEOs from crashing our little get together and trying to baby sit us like during the PB UOC event where we were chaperoned/shadowed the WHOLE day!!!

Your "Cholo" friend is the least of our concerns believe me I am Mexican and I know all about "profiling" from LEOs and I welcome more Open Carriers that are not the typical gun stereotype "Old White Guys".

Most people (and LEOs) cant tell the difference from a "Cholo" and just a regular Hispanic person that grew up in any Barrio in Southern CA...

Remember the "Elitist" mentality is directed toward ANY unwanted preemptive LEO presence.

This is OPEN to CalGunners and OCers from ALL backgrounds (and their friends!!!) we just dont want LEOs to rain on our little parade.

[asgalindez]

Dude asgalindez you are totally taking it the wrong way!!!

Okay, I get it now. You guys are using the "LEO Filter."=

[pullnshoot25]

My goal is primarily limit police interaction on this one. There was too much interaction in the last one and while it went off OK, the planning that happened beforehand was just too much with their desire to plan our party out, e.g. planning to run random and warrantless checks, requesting we submit to the 12031 check voluntarily, etc. With the event that we are planning this time around, it would be unmanageable and as such I am cutting off the interaction with the police to just giving a day's courtesy notice and keeping the location obscure.

There will be other "doors open" events, but for this one there will be a "closed circuit" so to speak.

Your buddy can wear whatever the hell he wants if he wants to come, I have no problem with that, given that he doesn't act like a gangbanger, of course. In fact, if you can be cleared for this event then you can bring a friend if you want, we just need an official headcount for logistical and culinary purposes. Like I said before, the ONLY limitation is that you be an active CGN/OCDO member OR be vouched for by an active member OR attend with an approved member.

Well, lots of cops troll these threads and have low post counts. I am not trying to micromanage the party, I just don't want excessive interaction. The whole idea is to prevent a bunch of lame 12031 checks because if we start inviting cops, they know where we are going to be and will try to micromanage everything.

The whole "vouch for" thing has to do with recently indoctrinated CGN members that want to go but have low post counts and are friends with a more active member on the board. If a the old hand can vouch for the green hand then all is well.

Its kind of like guarding a henhouse. Sure, you can use any old dog to guard it, but do you want a Shepherd or a Fox? Even better, it is like bringing a friend to a party... if you care about your friend and the party, you don't bring a recovering alcoholic, right? Same concept applies when you go shooting: you don't invite untrustworthy people to go shooting. Last I checked, bullets still hurt and death still sucks.

I have a big list from the last time OC outing I put together and I have those that responded before the option of not responding because I have their info already.

There will be other UOC block parties, but this event just needs a little more control as it it more logistically complex.

Bolded for 20/20 hindsight purposes.

[pullnshoot25]

Shameless bump. Lets get some entries!