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  • sicks
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    • Jun 2011
    • 137

    Youtube Vids on Handgun "Aiming"?

    Is there a consensus on one or two vids that are best Youtube tutorials for where to place focus and other pointers?

    If so - please share links
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    SB1942
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    • Mar 2019
    • 279

    Paul Harrell.

    This is Part 2 of a 3 part on the basics:

    ITrader Info:

    https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1884648

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    • #3
      sicks
      Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 137

      Originally posted by SB1942
      Paul Harrell.

      This is Part 2 of a 3 part on the basics:

      https://youtu.be/tUqwsJtUQRo
      I am actually subbed to PH and didnt really know what terms to search for. Thank you

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      • #4
        CWL
        Senior Member
        CGN Contributor
        • Aug 2009
        • 1488

        Go to YT and search for:

        National Shooting Sports Foundation | NSSF

        or

        Pistol aiming tips
        (Look at the ones by Sig Academy)


        I know a lot of people like Paul Harrell, but I have problems with anyone who thinks chickens and bags of fruit are appropriate ballistic equivalents to human torsos.
        Vae Victis

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        • #5
          IVC
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jul 2010
          • 17594

          Just a quick warning - check out a few videos and stick to those that have main points in common (front sight focus, etc.).

          There are many fringe ideas on YouTube and you don't want to get sucked into any of that, until at least you have enough knowledge and experience to the point that you can evaluate it correctly.
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          • #6
            rodralig
            CGN Contributor
            • Apr 2016
            • 4262

            Originally posted by sicks
            Is there a consensus on one or two vids that are best Youtube tutorials for where to place focus and other pointers?

            If so - please share links
            Depends on what kind of shooting you are trying to do... Static slow shooting bullseye/group shooting? Or "running and gunning"...?

            Most action shooters are target focused up to 10-yards, ie., blurry front sight. Aiming up to 5-yards just requires alignment of the frame of the gun against the target, and "flash" sight pictures at 7-yards... Etc. etc....


            Then again, as the "TGO" said - "... aiming is useless..." Watch the entire clip to understand what he meant by that - quite insightful (I wouldn't want to spoil it)...




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            WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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            • #7
              IVC
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jul 2010
              • 17594

              Also, search for "Aiming is useless" by Rob Leatham.

              It is by far the most important concept if you're just starting - you will miss because of the trigger pull, not because of aim. Trying to "aim harder" won't make you hit the target. Not by a long shot. It will just frustrate you because you will be trying to fix something that is not the cause of your issue.
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              • #8
                IVC
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jul 2010
                • 17594

                ^^^ Haha, rodralig beat me to it, by a few seconds looks like...
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                • #9
                  rodralig
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 4262

                  Originally posted by IVC
                  ^^^ Haha, rodralig beat me to it, by a few seconds looks like...



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                  WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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                  • #10
                    67Cuda
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 1712

                    My neighbor, good shooter, said he never aims. Just point and shoot. Me, I'm still crawling.
                    Originally posted by ivanimal
                    People that call other member stupid get time off.
                    So much for being honest.

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                    • #11
                      IVC
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 17594

                      Originally posted by 67Cuda
                      My neighbor, good shooter, said he never aims. Just point and shoot. Me, I'm still crawling.
                      No, don't do that... That's the problem with Internet videos and incomplete information. Always aim.

                      Point shooting is likely one of the most misunderstood topics in pistol shooting, next to follow-through and predictive vs. reactive shooting. Just leave it for now, it will cause great harm unless you really, really (and I mean really) understand all these concepts and can separate nuances of aimed shooting from the misinformation about how to "get better quickly."
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                      • #12
                        OIF_VET
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 639

                        Originally posted by rodralig
                        Depends on what kind of shooting you are trying to do... Static slow shooting bullseye/group shooting? Or "running and gunning"...?

                        Most action shooters are target focused up to 10-yards, ie., blurry front sight. Aiming up to 5-yards just requires alignment of the frame of the gun against the target, and "flash" sight pictures at 7-yards... Etc. etc....


                        Then again, as the "TGO" said - "... aiming is useless..." Watch the entire clip to understand what he meant by that - quite insightful (I wouldn't want to spoil it)...




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                        • #13
                          The War Wagon
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Apr 2011
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                          Originally posted by OIF_VET
                          Don’t miss that, almost always overlooked, other part of that quote. Aiming is useless, UNTIL PROPER FIRE CONTROL IS IN PLACE.

                          Lousy grip = lousy aim.


                          Aim is a part of the LARGER process.
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                            OIF_VET
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 639

                            Originally posted by The War Wagon
                            Lousy grip = lousy aim.


                            Aim is a part of the LARGER process.
                            Until you can press the trigger without moving the gun, aiming means nothing. Grip helps facilitate the trigger press and recoil management.

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                            • #15
                              IVC
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 17594

                              Originally posted by OIF_VET
                              Until you can press the trigger without moving the gun, aiming means nothing. Grip helps facilitate the trigger press and recoil management.
                              Since we are getting into details, I would elaborate on your point...

                              There isn't a two-step process of "aim then fire." It's a single-step process of "keep the gun on the target throughout the trigger press." That's another way to say that the key is pressing the trigger without moving the sights - it's not that you're aiming and then pulling the trigger so that the aim has to be super-duper accurate, it's that you're simply keeping the gun on target as you operate the trigger.

                              Here is an interesting observation. Keeping a gun on target at usual plinking distances is easy. If I told you just to keep it there while chewing gum, you could hold it on target, aimed and lined up, for quite some time, without ever having the muzzle leave the center of the target and no matter how hard you chewed the gum. Sure it might move and wobble a little, but not enough to get off the target. That's plenty of "accurate aim" to hit the target and it's the easy part at such distances.

                              The problem is that most people will mentally create a two-step process of aiming, then pulling the trigger. It's that second part that is the source of virtually all the inaccuracy in 90% of the shooters. If you finish aiming (keeping sights on the target) before the gun fires, you're guilty of it regardless of whether you end up hitting the target or not. You simply have to keep the sights on target until the gun fires, then whatever happens happens.

                              If you think about it, it's also why you'll hear talk about "surprise break." It's not that you need a surprise break, it is that you need to stop separating aiming (keeping gun on target) and pressing the trigger (adding pressure while sights are aligned and on target). It's a decent crutch statement that says the same thing about relationship of aiming and trigger control - it's trigger control *while* aiming.

                              Further, it's also the whole idea of the "follow-through." The way it's usually described is nonsensical and sometimes involves claims about affecting the bullet while it's in the barrel - completely untrue and physically far from possible. What it really says is that you should apply fundamentals throughout the trigger press and not see the gun firing as the end result, but as an event that naturally happens as you keep the gun on target. The firing itself is the "beginning of the end" of the sequence, and the actual end is you recognizing that the gun has fired, a fraction of the second later - that's the "surprise." This is yet another way to say the same thing - keep the sights on target *while* operating the trigger and treat it as a *single* operation of keeping the sights aligned while operating the trigger.

                              Phew, that was long and almost makes sense reading it back...
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