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  • theEclipse
    Banned
    • Oct 2020
    • 25

    open carry

    My wife and I were out and about running some errands. We stopped for lunch @ Culver's, now that they've opened up their dining room again.

    Anyways, the tables are regulated to about 50% of full capacity. After we placed out order, we chose a small two person table against a wall. About 6 or 7 feet away from us, was another couple seated at a two person table, but their table was very close to the foot traffic path.

    The male was open carrying a full-sized semi-auto. He had it in a plastic holster that appeared to be a Level 1 type security. Nothing more than a thumb break. He was a pretty heavy individual and his butt was about 1 foot away from where people were walking back & forth. He was carrying on his right side.

    As others were coming and going, it was obvious to all that he was carrying. More than a couple of times, children would see that and make a comment that I'm quite sure he could hear easily enough.

    He made no attempt what-so-ever to secure his handgun by either keeping an arm against it, or having chosen a better place to park his ***, and not make it visible / accessible to those passing by.

    If you live in an open carry state, that is great. As I've said often enough, if you do carry, you have a duty and an obligation to keep that handgun secure at all times. Doesn't matter where you are or might be doing, you have an obligation to keep it as secure as possible. I was able to observe this guy for at least 30 min. He never even gave me the impression that he was aware of it, as if he had forgotten all about it. It was his body language and behavior. It was almost as if he was wearing it for shock value. That's the impression I got.

    If you choose to open carry, you must adopt and maintain a tactical mindset at all times. That includes NOT presenting the handgun to others that might take advantage of the situation that you placed yourself in. These are indeed, crazy times, and lots of people that cannot be trusted.

    Anyways, this guy was so wrong to sit where he did. There were open tables available that would have provided a much better situation. It just rubs me the wrong way when I see individuals such as the one in question, open carry and not do a better job of it.

    Most any adult with half a brain could have relieved him of his handgun easily enough
  • #2
    Ex Pat
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2020
    • 87

    personally I don't like to see Open Carry - my opinion is that those who do are playing the macho thing - CC can accomplish the purpose for which "Carry" was intended without the "hey, look at me" b.s.

    same thing goes for Belt Knife Carry - I live in a Ranch/Farm area and can see a valid need for it - for some - but it's obvious on those who Carry for show
    Last edited by Ex Pat; 11-02-2020, 6:55 AM.

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    • #3
      Ackrite
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 1043

      Originally posted by theEclipse
      My wife and I were out and about running some errands. We stopped for lunch @ Culver's, now that they've opened up their dining room again.

      Anyways, the tables are regulated to about 50% of full capacity. After we placed out order, we chose a small two person table against a wall. About 6 or 7 feet away from us, was another couple seated at a two person table, but their table was very close to the foot traffic path.

      The male was open carrying a full-sized semi-auto. He had it in a plastic holster that appeared to be a Level 1 type security. Nothing more than a thumb break. He was a pretty heavy individual and his butt was about 1 foot away from where people were walking back & forth. He was carrying on his right side.

      As others were coming and going, it was obvious to all that he was carrying. More than a couple of times, children would see that and make a comment that I'm quite sure he could hear easily enough.

      He made no attempt what-so-ever to secure his handgun by either keeping an arm against it, or having chosen a better place to park his ***, and not make it visible / accessible to those passing by.

      If you live in an open carry state, that is great. As I've said often enough, if you do carry, you have a duty and an obligation to keep that handgun secure at all times. Doesn't matter where you are or might be doing, you have an obligation to keep it as secure as possible. I was able to observe this guy for at least 30 min. He never even gave me the impression that he was aware of it, as if he had forgotten all about it. It was his body language and behavior. It was almost as if he was wearing it for shock value. That's the impression I got.

      If you choose to open carry, you must adopt and maintain a tactical mindset at all times. That includes NOT presenting the handgun to others that might take advantage of the situation that you placed yourself in. These are indeed, crazy times, and lots of people that cannot be trusted.

      Anyways, this guy was so wrong to sit where he did. There were open tables available that would have provided a much better situation. It just rubs me the wrong way when I see individuals such as the one in question, open carry and not do a better job of it.

      Most any adult with half a brain could have relieved him of his handgun easily enough
      OP, what was your previous user name? You are an obvious troll. If you claim to be the slightest bit pro-gun, then never leave leave CA and contain your BS so it stops spreading to other states.

      You are no authority on how to carry and I value your opinion as much as I valued stepping on deer s**t while out hunting yesterday. You are worse than any anti-gun activist or politician. They at least don't pretend to be on our side anymore.

      Originally posted by Ex Pat
      personally I don't like to see Open Carry - my opinion is that those who do are playing the macho thing - CC can accomplish the purpose for which "Carry" was intended without the "hey, look at me" b.s.

      same thing goes for Belt Knife Carry - I live in a Ranch/Farm area and can see a valif need for it - for some - but it's obvious on those who Carry for show
      Recent join date, user name of Ex Pat, and your location is TX. I assume you are a California ex-pat now living in TX? You are what's wrong with everything and give a bad name to people like myself who want to leave CA to leave all the BS behind and assimilate with where I moved to. You move to a state and claim to be a pro-gun conservative, but think you know better. Move back to CA and stop ruining other states.

      This place is infested with trolls.

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      • #4
        AregularGuy
        Veteran Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 2792

        Originally posted by theEclipse
        ...He made no attempt what-so-ever to secure his handgun by either keeping an arm against it, or having chosen a better place to park his ***, and not make it visible / accessible to those passing by....
        How was his firearm not secure? It was in a holster? Should he have kept his hand on it the entire time while sitting, a la, a gunslinger? Are you assuming that passersby are going to be crazed with the sight of the gun to the point they try to appropriate it? Seems more people should open carry to desensitize peopl to the sight of "Guns, OMG!".
        All posts dedicated to the memory of Stronzo Bestiale

        "You want my sister but now scam my Glocks too?
        How about my sister? what can she do now? Still virgin and need Glcok."

        ---ARegularGuy

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        • #5
          Master_Prestige
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2019
          • 1016



          MYOB.

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          • #6
            jeremiah12
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 2065

            I have been to many western states recently as I am looking for a place to move too when I retire from CA very soon. In many places I have seen open carry and my first response was surprise because I was born and raised here in CA.

            In those places, it is a part of life and nobody cares, except the CA transplants who move there with their CA mindsets and think everything should be like CA.

            Those places are desirable to live in because they have not partaken of the CA Kool-aid. If you move there, get to know their culture and why they have so much liberty and leave the CA BS in CA. They do not want it. They have been doing fine without our help and advice for a very long time.

            If you do not like open carry, move to a state that does not allow it. I personally prefer CC but I plan to move to a state that allows OC and I support people who do. They are exercising their 2A rights in they way they choose to do so. They are choosing liberty and live in states that trust their residents. They do not have nanny state governments that want to regulate the behavior of its citizens.
            Anyone can look around and see the damage to the state and country inflicted by bad politicians.

            A vote is clearly much more dangerous than a gun.

            Why advocate restrictions on one right (voting) without comparable restrictions on another (self defense) (or, why not say 'Be a U.S. citizen' as the requirement for CCW)?

            --Librarian

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            • #7
              Dano3467
              Calguns Addict
              • Mar 2013
              • 7381

              I'd love to Open carry. much more comfortable IMO

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              • #8
                Ex Pat
                Junior Member
                • Oct 2020
                • 87

                wow - lots of angst here and that's a sad thing

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                • #9
                  norcalAF
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 1654

                  Bunch of nanny state nuckleheads advocating restrictions here, that's what's sad.

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                  • #10
                    sfpcservice
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 1879

                    Is this calguns?
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                    John 14:6

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                    • #11
                      Mickey D
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 3502

                      ***Honesty is the Foundation of One's Character***

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                      ***Mature Up***

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                      • #12
                        PaperTarget
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 786

                        Originally posted by theEclipse
                        My wife and I were out and about running some errands. We stopped for lunch @ Culver's, ...
                        I love those ButterBurgers from Culvers.

                        Originally posted by theEclipse
                        As I've said often enough, if you do carry, you have a duty and an obligation to keep that handgun secure at all times. ...
                        Sounds like you said this under some previous username. And so what if you said it 10,000 times, if you are the ultimate authority, you should only have to say it once. And define "Secure". Did his handgun end up falling onto the floor, or being passed around without his permission.

                        Originally posted by theEclipse
                        Doesn't matter where you are or might be doing, you have an obligation to keep it as secure as possible. ...
                        "As secure as possible" is a red-herring, never-ending, foolish expectation.


                        Originally posted by theEclipse
                        Most any adult with half a brain could have relieved him of his handgun easily enough
                        Maybe you should have proved your point by snatching the gun like some movie character. If you had, maybe you would have been surprised it was more secure than you fearfully imagined.

                        Story time. Not long ago in LA County, 2 detectives were in line at a Chicken Salad place. One detective had his 1911 cocked and locked in a level 2 holster. They weren't wearing their sportcoats so it was open carry. I'd suppose their presence would have ruined your Teriyaki Bowl Day. Me, I was just impressed with and old style cocked and locked on a younger guy.

                        I suggest you focus on the Frozen Custard or stay home.

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                        • #13
                          OCEquestrian
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jun 2017
                          • 6899

                          Originally posted by PaperTarget
                          I suggest you focus on the Frozen Custard tofu or stay home.
                          Fixed it for you...
                          "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater

                          Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ----Benjamin Franklin

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                          • #14
                            plumbum
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2010
                            • 5394

                            Geez, Karen...
                            Originally posted by ysr_racer
                            Please don't bring logic and reason into an interwebs discussion

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                            • #15
                              Snoopy47
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 3885

                              It's like leaving the house and going into the woods and seeing a Bear for the first time.

                              OMG, look Karen, hey Karen, look look look, a Bear look look look.

                              Live in the woods enough and well, it's just another bear and just another day.

                              **********

                              Funny thing is, I suppose if someone tried to take his open carry pistol from him claimed to be so un-secure they would be shot by a conceal carry sitting at the next table.
                              Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.

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