M4 vs high-end AR-15

[Dirk Tungsten]

If the balloon ever does go up, I and a number of my friends anticipate being able to collect a lot of high-end AR's and customized Glock's...

I think this will definitely be the case. The number of guys who bought gucci gear and all sorts of training getting clapped by a guy with a hi-point will be frighteningly high.

Like that poem says, "the odds are on the cheaper man"

[RandyD]

There are a lot of Marines who did a lot of killing with a standard-issue M-16

[MarikinaMan]

There are a lot of Marines who did a lot of killing with a standard-issue M-16

Agreed.

A lot of people have taken pride of ownership way too far and think it relates to the effectivity and reliability of a firearm. This is false.

I understand how someone can love his Knights Armament rifle. Theyre amazing guns. Nothing wrong there. If you can afford it, good for you.

I assembled a carbine with an Anderson lower+upper reciever, a Radical Arms barrel and CMMG parts. I competed with it in carbine matches. Targets were from 3 to 400 yards. Its was a 1.5 MOA rifle with my own 55gr reloads. No one can tell me it a worthless piece of junk. Thats just ignorance.

To go on here and tell other people their stuff is junk is plain ole elitist self important BS. Worse yet, it tramples on one the greatest things about firearms in America. The ability of the average American to go and build a rifle he can easily afford.

Palmetto State Armory and Anderson Manufacturing have done great things for firearms, our freedoms and armed tens of thousands of Americans. STFU.

[RandyD]

^^^ A standard AR is a very reliable and effective firearm. I am glad that some people tinker and others research on how to make the AR more reliable and accurate. Eventually, their findings become the new standard. Currently, there are so many quality manufacturers of good quality ARs and parts, that it is really difficult to make a selection when determining the best v. price comparison. This is a first-world problem.

[FeuerFrei]

Money spent on a AR clone du jour is relative to how much the buyer knows about AR15's in particular.

I think people should do more research before they buy so they will know what the standard is and proceed to dump ducats on the thing that best meets or exceeds the standard, then they can decide if the non standard will suffice. Eyes wide open.

Once people understand the standard the amount of money spent starts to make more sense.

[xfer42]

The old Gucci is the cheap stuff now.
The cheap stuff caught up and people want bling. You cant even find a cast upper and lower anymore (had Oly cast upper and lower crack on me). If you want a cheap receiver these days, then its going to be a 7075 T6 hardened forged one. People will pay more for a weaker, but nicer looking 6061 billet CNC machined one. I think people are more aware of what the stressed parts should be made of for the mechanics. Optics is a different story.

Ive got maybe 10 ARs (probably more). It seems the next gets better, and less expensive. This last upper, I bought a few months ago for $239 (stainless, full length slim hand guard, .223 wylde). Works great. I like to warm it up with a 100rnd mag/drum dump to see how many I can consecutively bump fire without stopping (trying to get rid of all my 2012 reloads so I can reclaim the cases and get on with a new batch).

Id have to say though. A slim keymod handguard gets hard to hold on to after 100 rounds in a short period. Gets hot. It might be an advantage to have the old plastic clamshell.

[SDCarpenter]

Of you don't use and train with your hear, you're just stockpiling for the guy down the street who will take it.

[Featureless]

M4 (as in Colt M4) is Milspec, commercial AR platforms may or may not be. If you don't understand that, go Gucci.

[afteractionreport]

Agreed.

A lot of people have taken pride of ownership way too far and think it relates to the effectivity and reliability of a firearm. This is false.

I understand how someone can love his Knights Armament rifle. Theyre amazing guns. Nothing wrong there. If you can afford it, good for you.

I assembled a carbine with an Anderson lower+upper reciever, a Radical Arms barrel and CMMG parts. I competed with it in carbine matches. Targets were from 3 to 400 yards. Its was a 1.5 MOA rifle with my own 55gr reloads. No one can tell me it a worthless piece of junk. Thats just ignorance.

To go on here and tell other people their stuff is junk is plain ole elitist self important BS. Worse yet, it tramples on one the greatest things about firearms in America. The ability of the average American to go and build a rifle he can easily afford.

Palmetto State Armory and Anderson Manufacturing have done great things for firearms, our freedoms and armed tens of thousands of Americans. STFU.

Dont forget palmettos mission is to arm as many Americans as they can. Can't do that with $3k ARs. A plane Jane first buy PSA will do the job. Eventually if they turn in to 2A guys they'll research the minutia of AR15s for their 2nd. Or 7th rifle

[jmf_tracy]

Agreed.

A lot of people have taken pride of ownership way too far and think it relates to the effectivity and reliability of a firearm. This is false.

I understand how someone can love his Knights Armament rifle. Theyre amazing guns. Nothing wrong there. If you can afford it, good for you.

I assembled a carbine with an Anderson lower+upper reciever, a Radical Arms barrel and CMMG parts. I competed with it in carbine matches. Targets were from 3 to 400 yards. Its was a 1.5 MOA rifle with my own 55gr reloads. No one can tell me it a worthless piece of junk. Thats just ignorance.

To go on here and tell other people their stuff is junk is plain ole elitist self important BS. Worse yet, it tramples on one the greatest things about firearms in America. The ability of the average American to go and build a rifle he can easily afford.

Palmetto State Armory and Anderson Manufacturing have done great things for firearms, our freedoms and armed tens of thousands of Americans. STFU.

Well said Brother