M4 vs high-end AR-15

[MarikinaMan]

Watch with caution. These ebegging shills, you cant trust them. And you cant be trusted since youre so naive, gullible, buy junk all the time and easily separated from your money.

I kid. Oldie but still relevant.

[QuinnBayArea]

Hmmm. I would say its up to the user and his/her comfort level with the weapon system that matters more than what trigger and which muzzle device, etc.

I remember years ago during my 3G days, one of the better competitors, to make his point, won the match using a very basic, off the shelf, DelTon Sport, only upgrade was the T1 on top.

The Skill and Proficiency of the Shooter matters more than the quality of the weapon. That being said, there are certain standards for a GTW weapon that should apply in most situations. I believe that MOST entry level AR15s will perform when needed for fending off the few bad guys breaking into your house.

Middle of the desert, or trying to exfil a crowded urban scene, and the need to put thousands of rounds down accurately, reliably, and as fast as possible......quite a different story.

[MarikinaMan]

Hmmm. I would say its up to the user and his/her comfort level with the weapon system that matters more than what trigger and which muzzle device, etc.

I remember years ago during my 3G days, one of the better competitors, to make his point, won the match using a very basic, off the shelf, DelTon Sport, only upgrade was the T1 on top.

The Skill and Proficiency of the Shooter matters more than the quality of the weapon. That being said, there are certain standards for a GTW weapon that should apply in most situations. I believe that MOST entry level AR15s will perform when needed for fending off the few bad guys breaking into your house.

Middle of the desert, or trying to exfil a crowded urban scene, and the need to put thousands of rounds down accurately, reliably, and as fast as possible......quite a different story.

Agreed. If it goes boom and holds together long enough, it will get the job done.

[The War Wagon]

Agreed. If it goes boom and holds together long enough, it will get the job done.

Far be it from me to deny po' folks their 2nd Amendment, HOWEVER... the maxim, "You PAY for what you GET" IS a maxim, because it's true.

There's a reason Joe Gibbs spend MILLIONS on his racing Camry's, rather than just entering whatever rolled off the local Toyota dealer's lot. The local dealer's deal might be "good enough" for YOU, but it ain't winning any trophies anytime soon.

But if you can afford better, why would you SETTLE for, "average?" MY life, and my family's life, deserve better than "average," and since it falls to me to defend them, I'm going to get/build something much better than, average.

For a hobbyist piece? Go nuts. But I've NEVER understood the mindset, that says, "MY life is worth... "average."

[teflondog]

From a combat perspective, you should be able to pick up any gun and run it well.

[Dirk Tungsten]

Far be it from me to deny po' folks their 2nd Amendment, HOWEVER... the maxim, "You PAY for what you GET" IS a maxim, because it's true.

There's a reason Joe Gibbs spend MILLIONS on his racing Camry's, rather than just entering whatever rolled off the local Toyota dealer's lot. The local dealer's deal might be "good enough" for YOU, but it ain't winning any trophies anytime soon.

But if you can afford better, why would you SETTLE for, "average?" MY life, and my family's life, deserve better than "average," and since it falls to me to defend them, I'm going to get/build something much better than, average.

For a hobbyist piece? Go nuts. But I've NEVER understood the mindset, that says, "MY life is worth... "average."

While this is true, diminishing returns are a very real thing. Also, it's the Indian, not the arrow. A Delta Force guy with a $400 Poverty State Armory AR is gonna do worlds better that a fat suburbanite LARPer with a top of the line KAC rifle, all else being equal.

[naz]

I remember years ago during my 3G days, one of the better competitors, to make his point, won the match using a very basic, off the shelf, DelTon Sport, only upgrade was the T1 on top.

[QuinnBayArea]

Diminishing Returns. I studied heavily in this when trying to decide between a Gibson SG and Gibson Les Paul. I discovered that with the SG, it didn't really matter which one you bought, they all sound and play very similar, so buy the basic one, and your color preference. However, when it came to the Les Paul, there was something to be said about how it played and sound, to me at least, and the more you paid, the better it played and sound.

Take Joey Sumofa*****, who only shoots twice a year and maybe has 1k rounds down range with no real experience, a high end HK or Knights or what have you.

Take John Wick Jr, who goes to the range once a month at least and maybe has some combat deployments or other real life experience, who has dedicated some real time and money to the skill of shooting, not just the hobby of shooting. Give him a Del Ton or Anderson or some other shelf bought entry grade AR.

Put them both in any scenario and watch Wick Jr make mince meat of Little Joey.

Best equipment in the world means diddly if you haven't applied yourself towards training and gaining experience.

Fat, Tall, Short, Skinny, Black, White, doesn't matter if there's no training, and training makes all the difference. ANY training is better than NO training. Even if all the Student trains with is a Highpoint and the Cheapest AR he can find. TRAIN. Case in point, Kyle. That "kid", allegedly, took out 3 targets, 2 while he lost and regained control of his weapon and footing after being hit in the head twice. Didnt matter his AR15 wasnt a Noveske or FN/HK/Sig. What mattered was his instincts and training.

[Full Clip]

Hmmm. I would say its up to the user and his/her comfort level with the weapon system that matters more than what trigger and which muzzle device, etc.

Which is exactly what GT said at the end of the video.
Get training.

[200Apples]

"I know how painful it was when I taught in the Army, going from my awesome trigger on Sunday back to a crunchy bag of turds Monday morning. Ultimately, the purchase of a good trigger will save you money on ammo, frustration, and generally make your life easier."

- Clay Martin

[BigPimping]

I have some very basic AR-15s. A DelTon Sport and. ATI Omni Hybrid. Both seem to work fine. They don't jam and function as they supposed to. With that said, I have a brand new Colt 6920 Magpul and a Spikes Crusader sitting in their respective original boxes in case everything goes to hell.

[MarikinaMan]

Far be it from me to deny po' folks their 2nd Amendment, HOWEVER... the maxim, "You PAY for what you GET" IS a maxim, because it's true.

There's a reason Joe Gibbs spend MILLIONS on his racing Camry's, rather than just entering whatever rolled off the local Toyota dealer's lot. The local dealer's deal might be "good enough" for YOU, but it ain't winning any trophies anytime soon.

But if you can afford better, why would you SETTLE for, "average?" MY life, and my family's life, deserve better than "average," and since it falls to me to defend them, I'm going to get/build something much better than, average.

For a hobbyist piece? Go nuts. But I've NEVER understood the mindset, that says, "MY life is worth... "average."

It's all relative. Do you rock first class in all aspects of your life?

I buy stuff I can afford, so I can build an nest egg for my retirement. If that means, most of I own is "average" I'm ok with that. That's not necessarily reflective of what I spend though. I have a lot of interests, and buy "average" stuff spread amongst many things.

I dont have a problem driving a Camry, living in an average neighborhood, and when I do buy firearms, I buy mid-priced. 1000 rifle, 500 dollar handgun, and Level IIIA armor. I feel no shame in it all. I am confident enough in my decisions to walk up to someone like you at the range and tell you, "that's a nice rifle".

[OCEquestrian]

The shooting world is full of people who think expensive cool gear will make them better shooters. Most would be far better advised to get a solid mid range price I modified weapon and spend the rest of the money on professional training.

If the balloon ever does go up, I and a number of my friends anticipate being able to collect a lot of high-end AR's and customized Glock's...

[Master_Prestige]

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