Do we have a guide for private sales that involve shipping a firearm?

[Area 52]

Never done this before but I'm having trouble finding buyers in Reno for my CA purchased firearm (from before I relocated). I put it up for sale here but obviously I would have to ship it to an FFL in CA. How do you guys handle payment when the gun needs to be shipped (both method and timing)? What carrier and method of shipping do you use? Do I need to call the buyer's selected FFL to let them know it's coming or is that on the buyer?

[SVT-40]

There is no such thing as "shipped" PPT's.

For PPT's both parties must be present and be CA residents.

[igs]

lol

[Area 52]

There is no such thing as "shipped" PPT's.

For PPT's both parties must be present and be CA residents.

If you want to get technical. It would be the same as a FFL transfer but coming from a private person instead of an online retailer, right?

[floogy]

There is no such thing as "shipped" PPT's.

For PPT's both parties must be present and be CA residents.

There are PPTs for consignments where the seller doesn't need to be present. But it still has to be a local sale. Once it's shipped between FFLs or from out of state it's no longer a PPT obviously.

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[shootsocal_dave]

A private sale from out of state is fine, but the roster is not exempt like an in state PPT

[Flintlock Tom]

Apart from the fact that you're not asking about a PPT ( which has a specific definition in California ) the answer to your question is:
1. you advertise your gun for sale
2. A potential buyer says "I'll take it."
3. The buyer sends you payment and his transfer dealer sends a copy of his license.
4. If it's a rifle, you ship ( UPS, FedEx, USPS, etc. ) to the FFL.
If it's a handgun, you have YOUR FFL ship it to his FFL.

[guest1]

Apart from the fact that you're not asking about a PPT ( which has a specific definition in California ) the answer to your question is:
1. you advertise your gun for sale
2. A potential buyer says "I'll take it."
3. The buyer sends you payment and his transfer dealer sends a copy of his license.
4. If it's a rifle, you ship ( UPS, FedEx, USPS, etc. ) to the FFL.
If it's a handgun, you have YOUR FFL ship it to his FFL.

I don't think a private party can ship a rifle via USPS.

[Area 52]

4. If it's a rifle, you ship ( UPS, FedEx, USPS, etc. ) to the FFL.
If it's a handgun, you have YOUR FFL ship it to his FFL.

Why do I need my FFL to ship a handgun? That seems to contradict both Gunbroker' shipping guide and the CA AG website.

Additionally I was looking for more guidance on payment, do you guys use PayPal, Venmo, etc.?

[guest1]

Why do I need my FFL to ship a handgun? That seems to contradict both Gunbroker' shipping guide and the CA AG website.

Additionally I was looking for more guidance on payment, do you guys use PayPal, Venmo, etc.?

Paypal is anti 2A and if they find out, you may get your account suspended. I've used Venmo and Zelle but you have no "protection" if the transaction goes south.

[Librarian]

I don't think a private party can ship a rifle via USPS.

Post office regs say that's OK - counter people seem often not to know their own regs.

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/welcome.htm

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_008.htm

432.3 Rifles and Shotguns

Except under 431.2, unloaded rifles and shotguns are mailable. Mailers must comply with the rules and regulations under 27 CFR, Part 478, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and not ineligible for mailing.

431.2 is

431.2 Handguns

Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (for example, short-barreled shotguns and short-barreled rifles) are defined as handguns.

We plebs cannot mail handguns.

[guest1]

Post office regs say that's OK - counter people seem often not to know their own regs.

431.2 is We plebs cannot mail handguns.

Thank you for the clarification.

[SkyHawk]

You cannot mail handguns with USPS unless you are FFL. But you can ship handguns UPS or Fedex. Will cost more. Use www.shipmygun.com and it will be a little cheaper.

But that doesn't solve the bigger problem which is collecting payment that cannot be clawed back, the buyer inspecting the gun before deciding through excellent hi-res photos videos or other means, the trust that has to be established both ways, etc etc.

[Area 52]

You cannot mail handguns with USPS unless you are FFL. But you can ship handguns UPS or Fedex. Will cost more. Use www.shipmygun.com and it will be a little cheaper.

But that doesn't solve the bigger problem which is collecting payment that cannot be clawed back, the buyer inspecting the gun before deciding through excellent hi-res photos videos or other means, the trust that has to be established both ways, etc etc.

What about meeting in person at a CA FFL and exchanging cash? It would still be an FFL transfer and not a PPT, but would I be allowed to basically "courier" the gun to the FFL instead of shipping?

[edgerly779]

^^^ Yes legal. And you can ship direct to ffl tom got that one wrong. Include copies of your ID and the buyers info. To many idjits ship firearms to ffls without all the info. FFL does not need to send you copy of license you look up online to verify you are shipping to ffl.
Simplest is you call ffl the buyer choses and get info from them on how to handle it. Buyer pays all fees involved shipping included.