CHILD SHOOTINGS

[Dan_Eastvale]

This could not have been stated better. As a five-year-old, I knew where my Dad's guns were. He showed me. Yes, at that age. They were right there in the nightstand and NOT LOCKED UP. He also made sure that I knew not to touch them without his permission. After all, they're *GUNS*. My parents also made sure I knew the difference between what I saw on Saturday morning cartoons and the real world. Result: I didn't touch Dad's guns AT ALL until I was in my 40's and already an experienced RSO, and even then, it was with his permission.

It's all about parenting, and sadly, too many parents are not doing their jobs these days; I saw this first-hand working in a K-12 school district for nearly 10 years.

Same here.. I had bolt action .22 at six. My dad had other rifles and a revolver. Loaded revolver.. Not locked up.
Because I was shooting as a kid I knew how to use them.. knew their power, and knew they weren't playthings.

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[Epaphroditus]

Suffocation and drowning ... at the hands of parents or close family so let's freak out about guns.

[CHansen]

This line was already tried by anti-gun orgs. Just curios if OP is not one of their members.

I hadn't heard the "line" before in regard to child shooting accidents. The "line" is at least based on fact and the "line" is one sometimes already referred to by avid gun owners with concerns that striker fired handguns may be more prone to unintentional discharges.

And to others here I've never unintentionally discharged a firearm myself, having begun hunting at the age of 6 or so. But I also never had a loaded striker fired gun in hand at the age of three.

Anyway I see I stirred up some s*** here. I've just noticed more such accidents involving very young children lately-and was wondering why. Certainly the adults are the primary problem in any case. And I have nothing against deleting the thread if someone wants to let me know how that's done.

[riderr]

I hadn't heard the "line" before in regard to child shooting accidents. The "line" is based on fact and the "line" is one sometimes already referred to by avid gun owners with concerns that striker fired handguns may be more prone to unintentional discharges.

And to others here I've never unintentionally discharged a firearm myself, having begun hunting at the age of 6 or so. But I also never had a loaded striker fired gun in hand at the age of three.

Yes, there was a case, when a cop tried to sue Glock, when his little son got access to the duty gun and pulled the trigger. Indeed, it was Glock's fault, I have no doubt about it. Surprisingly, he didn't sue the ammo manufacture for the ammo worked in the way it was designed.

Unintentional discharge is extremely rare, if any, in the modern designs. When someone pulls the trigger, it's not an unintentional discharge. It's how the guns are supposed to work. I believe you intentionally (or not) stirring up two different things. If you have a little kid in the house and leave a kettle with boiling water within the kid's reach, who is going to be at bllame, the water supply company, the gas company, the kettle manufacturer or the parents?

[norcalAF]

Yes, there was a case, when a cop tried to sue Glock, when his little son got access to the duty gun and pulled the trigger. Indeed, it was Glock's fault, I have no doubt about it. Surprisingly, he didn't sue the ammo manufacture for the ammo worked in the way it was designed.

Unintentional discharge is extremely rare, if any, in the modern designs. When someone pulls the trigger, it's not an unintentional discharge. It's how the guns are supposed to work. I believe you intentionally (or not) stirring up two different things. If you have a little kid in the house and leave a kettle with boiling water within the kid's reach, who is going to be at bllame, the water supply company, the gas company, the kettle manufacturer or the parents?

Yep, take responsibility for yourself and your kids and their safety.

[Dvrjon]

CA PEN 25120.

As painful as it may be, until there is highly-visible prosecution of the parents for killing their kids, this crap will go on. With the advent of another million COVID new gun owners, we can expect additional child deaths with additional laws to restrict firearms.

And it has nothing to do with the pull weight of a gun.

[Ross]

All the members here should look at the room the OP (who's been here six months and with less than 20 posts) created and not since responded in.

Bunch of rookies, rookies I say.

[lmcc0072]

No, the mechanical attributes are not the factor. It is the absolute and total negligence of adults that is the issue.

This ^^^^ I don’t have ANY children in my house and I still lock stuff up if I’m not in direct possession of it. I’ve helped a few people acquire their first firearm and I stress safety first. Unfortunately with many new gun owners this will probably happen more often if they aren’t safety conscious.

So what’s the solution? Take everyone’s guns away because some people are stupid or careless?

Caring for your firearms is like changing underwear or brushing your teeth. It has to become part of your daily routine. Unfortunately we all know of a few people who don’t change their underwear or brush their teeth. Take their guns away and move on.

[Dvrjon]

All the members here should look at the room the OP (who's been here six months and with less than 20 posts) created and not since responded in.

Bunch of rookies, rookies I say.

[CHansen]

All the members here should look at the room the OP (who's been here six months and with less than 20 posts) created and not since responded in.

Bunch of rookies, rookies I say.

Hmm, so far I noticed three posts here from the OP.

[CHansen]

Yes, there was a case, when a cop tried to sue Glock, when his little son got access to the duty gun and pulled the trigger. Indeed, it was Glock's fault, I have no doubt about it. Surprisingly, he didn't sue the ammo manufacture for the ammo worked in the way it was designed.

Unintentional discharge is extremely rare, if any, in the modern designs. When someone pulls the trigger, it's not an unintentional discharge. It's how the guns are supposed to work. I believe you intentionally (or not) stirring up two different things. If you have a little kid in the house and leave a kettle with boiling water within the kid's reach, who is going to be at bllame, the water supply company, the gas company, the kettle manufacturer or the parents?

Yes, I didn't explain the connection there very well. I was asking if the same guns that have discharged unintentionally in the past due to light trigger pulls and inadequate training might also contribute to more self-inflicted child shootings from firearms. I don't know the intentions of the three year-old who shot himself in the chest-and there have been cases we all know of where police officers have discharged these guns unintentionally due to their design, regardless of the fact that they worked as they were designed to. I'm not advocating getting of rid of such firearms, only asking if there's a relationship between them and an increase in these accidents, and maintaining that people need to be even more careful with them around children if nothing else, just as police departments have required more intensive training with them.

[riderr]

I think OP is a shill.

[Dvrjon]

I think OP is a shill.

So what? It's an open forum.
Counter the argument, not the individual....

[riderr]

So what? It's an open forum.
Counter the argument, not the individual....

I did, in case you didn't notice
That itself doesn't change the fact that OP is a shill in my opinion. Educating the shill is time-wasting activity.

[AregularGuy]

I hadn't heard the "line" before in regard to child shooting accidents. The "line" is at least based on fact and the "line" is one sometimes already referred to by avid gun owners with concerns that striker fired handguns may be more prone to unintentional discharges.

And to others here I've never unintentionally discharged a firearm myself, having begun hunting at the age of 6 or so. But I also never had a loaded striker fired gun in hand at the age of three.

Anyway I see I stirred up some s*** here. I've just noticed more such accidents involving very young children lately-and was wondering why. Certainly the adults are the primary problem in any case. And I have nothing against deleting the thread if someone wants to let me know how that's done.

OP, are you personally witnessing these accidents or reading about them? Please post links to "more such accidents".