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  • rmasold
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 1079

    WARNING WARNING WARNING

    Roggio Arms Lowers buyers BEWARE! So I did a build party this weekend for some of my regular customers. I am not an FFL so they did NOT buy the lowers from ME. Also they did not ask me about this purchase beforehand. But needless to say they bought six lowers all the same model. Things went together just like any other build, until it came time to put the buffer tube together. This is the part when the TROUBLE began. We tried to attach the buffer tube to the lower but the threads on the lower did not match up. Some of the guys tried to force the tube into the lower; I told them this was not a great idea. However they all wanted to get them done after waiting weeks on end, to get all the money and find all the parts. I thought maybe it was just a little over anodized threads. So we got a brass brush out and started to knock down some of it. After a bit of work the tubes started to thread on, but way too stiff. So I got out a mic and indeed it was the threads. So I started to wonder if it was the buffer tubes. I tried four different types NOT THE TUBES. After a little more work with the brass brush we got the tubes to fit. I would not recommend these lowers at all. Thanks for the look
    Last edited by rmasold; 05-25-2009, 11:47 AM.
  • #2
    M. Sage
    Moderator Emeritus
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jul 2006
    • 19759

    How did you knock down anodizing with a brass brush? Good anodizing should have a Rockwell C of somewhere around 60, which is very hard.
    Originally posted by Deadbolt
    "We're here to take your land for your safety"

    "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
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    • #3
      ricknadine1111
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2008
      • 1261

      junk................
      WHERED IT GO !, IT'S ONLY A LITTLE LEAD.LETER SEE ,UP 40 CLICKS AND LEFT 20 CLICKS," OH DARN, I DUNO WHERE IT IS?

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      • #4
        AndrewMendez
        C3 Leader
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Jan 2009
        • 6777

        Thanks for the Warning!!! How much did you pay for them if you dont mind me asking!
        Need A Realtor in SoCal? Shoot me a PM. :cool:

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        • #5
          B Strong
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Feb 2009
          • 6367

          Thanks for the heads up, and you should contact the manufacturer and inform them of the problem as well.
          The way some gunshop clerks spout off, you'd think that they invented gunpowder and the repeating rifle, and sat on the Supreme Court as well.
          ___________________________________________
          "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
          - Jeff Cooper

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          • #6
            IsaacGlass
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 2591

            Do a search and you will see that Roggio Arms Lowers are very inconsistent.
            Good warning.

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            • #7
              ricknadine1111
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2008
              • 1261

              That is due to the $5.00 pay to their machinests working the vertical milling machines and the lathes, or in other words cheap labor from out side of the U.S. I mean come on who can't run a internal thread on a lathe, it's simple you just ingage the thread at the correct position. Wait perhaps they are tapping the threads on the vertical milling machine and that is even more simple.
              Last edited by ricknadine1111; 05-24-2009, 2:51 PM.
              WHERED IT GO !, IT'S ONLY A LITTLE LEAD.LETER SEE ,UP 40 CLICKS AND LEFT 20 CLICKS," OH DARN, I DUNO WHERE IT IS?

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              • #8
                kblack583
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2008
                • 704

                I just ran into the same thing with a couple of Roggios. They were too tight and I wasnt going to fight it.

                Called them at 910-864-4137 and they sent UPS label to ship them back. everything Ive heard is that they are good about making it right.

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                • #9
                  69Mach1
                  Super Moderator
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 15032

                  That's not good, although both of my built up Roggio's have no problem with the carbine tubes.
                  sigpic
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                  • #10
                    swerv512
                    Veteran Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 3076

                    Originally posted by ricknadine1111
                    That is due to the $5.00 pay to their machinests working the vertical milling machines and the lathes, or in other words cheap labor from out side of the U.S. I mean come on who can't run a internal thread on a lathe, it's simple you just ingage the thread at the correct position. Wait perhaps they are tapping the threads on the vertical milling machine and that is even more simple.
                    ^^^
                    +1...
                    maybe the machinist didnt understand he couldnt engage the threads at different numbers every time.... wookie move.

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                    • #11
                      M. Sage
                      Moderator Emeritus
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 19759

                      ... I'd be shocked if they were building these on anything but CNC machines, and that would make it a worn tooling issue.

                      But that's eclipsed by the fact that it should be impossible to remove anodizing with a brass or bronze brush. I have to admit that this little fact makes me rather doubtful of the story.
                      Originally posted by Deadbolt
                      "We're here to take your land for your safety"

                      "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
                      sigpicNRA Member

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                      • #12
                        CALI-gula
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 7027

                        Originally posted by M. Sage
                        How did you knock down anodizing with a brass brush? Good anodizing should have a Rockwell C of somewhere around 60, which is very hard.
                        Maybe it's that new method of anodizing? I heard about the process a few weeks back.

                        I'm trying to recall... "Kriolite...?" "Kreighlition...?" "Krylatic...?"

                        OH! That's it! "Krylon."

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                        • #13
                          Nanook
                          Member
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 159

                          Originally posted by swerv512
                          ... wookie move.
                          Did you mean rookie? THIS is a Wookie move:



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                          • #14
                            M. Sage
                            Moderator Emeritus
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 19759

                            Originally posted by CALI-gula
                            Maybe it's that new method of anodizing? I heard about the process a few weeks back.

                            I'm trying to recall... "Kriolite...?" "Kreighlition...?" "Krylatic...?"

                            OH! That's it! "Krylon."

                            .
                            Lol!
                            Originally posted by Deadbolt
                            "We're here to take your land for your safety"

                            "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
                            sigpicNRA Member

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                            • #15
                              rmasold
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 1079

                              MORE POWER THAN BRAINS

                              Originally posted by M. Sage
                              ... I'd be shocked if they were building these on anything but CNC machines, and that would make it a worn tooling issue.

                              But that's eclipsed by the fact that it should be impossible to remove anodizing with a brass or bronze brush. I have to admit that this little fact makes me rather doubtful of the story.
                              "Doubtful of the story" thank you 4 your 2 cents but they are junk lowers. It looked more like paint to me than anodized metal. But it did come off with a brass brush so "doubtful of the story" I have nothing to gain from telling stories. I don't sell lowers nor did I buy one, I just was asked to come to the build party. This was just a warning,... nothing else. So with you being a moderator, before calling me a story teller you should think twice about what you write. But then again some people have more power than brains.
                              Last edited by rmasold; 05-25-2009, 11:52 AM.

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