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  • #16
    yoda888
    Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 253

    The sights are the standard sights that came with my Bushmaster M4. I believe the rifle should be "sighted" pretty close to zero from the factory. I understand adjusting the sights up/down, but how do you sight it left/right?

    The front sight can be lowered/elevated and the rear sight as well. How do I sight left to right?

    BTW, the AR didn't come with a manual. I bought the upper new and pieced the lower together, so it wasn't bought as a complete rifle.

    Thanks to everyone is with their positive feedback and comments.
    Last edited by yoda888; 05-22-2009, 11:01 PM.

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    • #17
      goober
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Sep 2008
      • 4875

      Originally posted by yoda888
      Sorry I'm not an expert. Probably part of the reason I'm here to seek advice from others. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

      BTW, I didn't ask what "zero" was. Just what the term "cheek weld" was. Is that where your *** is so tight you can't **** and it only comes out of your mouth?
      well said, & touche'
      way to give it back; just like any other interwebs forum setting, take the good, constructive advice and ignore the posturing arseholes that just need to bolster their ego's by trying to make you feel small.
      but i concur that if you can shoot consistently (that's precision) you are more than halfway there. it is a simple matter to adust the sights (and your aiming pt if that is also needed) in order to get your group on target, as opposed to the much tougher task of tightening up a group that is all over the place, even if some of your shots are dead-on (that's accuracy).
      all that being said, 25 yds is crazy close as far as sighting in an AR. most folks will use 100 yds or at least 50 for sighting in and measuring their groups, and then for CQB adjust their aim as needed.

      ETA: the main way to adjust windage (that is L to R adjustment) is using the rear sight.
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      • #18
        ripcurlksm
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2006
        • 3146

        check the rifle marksmanship videos in my signature
        Kevin

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        • #19
          kakpataka
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 1357

          Originally posted by yoda888
          The sights are the standard sights that came with my Bushmaster M4. I believe the rifle should be "sighted" pretty close to zero from the factory. I understand adjusting the sights up/down, but how do you sight it left/right?

          The front sight can be lowered/elevated and the rear sight as well. How do I sight left to right?

          BTW, the AR didn't come with a manual. I bought the upper new and pieced the lower together, so it wasn't bought as a complete rifle.

          Thanks to everyone is with their positive feedback and comments.
          Cheek weld
          Contact between cheek and stock (i.e. "cheek weld") It allows for an improved static position to increase accuracy.
          Open & print the attached PDF file (23 pages). It goes beyond basics & tells you how to adjust sights for various situations. Most people here are already familiar with the concept of RIBZ. Have fun reading it. I added comments & questions from various members in response to various question that were posted on AR15.com. I am going thru it myself.
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          • #20
            Technical Ted
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Oct 2005
            • 12169

            Simply reading the first four chapters of this book really helped improve my groups years ago.



            "Sight Alignment, Trigger Control & The Big Lie"
            by Jim Owens

            The first four chapters are free to read online:
            Chapter One
            Chapter Two
            Chapter Three
            Chapter Four
            Originally posted by ChrisTKHarris
            That is one of the most idiotic statements I've heard. You are a retard.

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            • #21
              aermotor
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              • Apr 2009
              • 2566

              If this is a stock upper from the factory then you should gave NO problems at 25 yards... my stock Stag hits 500 yards out of the box no big deal. Honestly 25 yards is sooo close there should be no problems.

              Are you right or left handed? If right, use your right eye and vice versa. Set the rear sight to all the way down and center. Your front sight should be fine.

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              • #22
                yoda888
                Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 253

                Thanks for the info guys! Gonna do some video watching and reading to see what the heck i'm doing wrong!

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                • #23
                  yoda888
                  Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 253

                  I'm right handed.

                  I was wondering about yardage as well. Seems a lot of people can hit with irons consistently. I have 20/15 (corrected) vision, and even at 25yards I can't see that great without using a scope/binoculars afterwards.

                  I was thinking about trying w/ my left eye next time.

                  Thanks everyone!

                  Originally posted by aermotor
                  If this is a stock upper from the factory then you should gave NO problems at 25 yards... my stock Stag hits 500 yards out of the box no big deal. Honestly 25 yards is sooo close there should be no problems.

                  Are you right or left handed? If right, use your right eye and vice versa. Set the rear sight to all the way down and center. Your front sight should be fine.

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                  • #24
                    jazman
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 2140

                    Originally posted by yoda888
                    Sorry I'm not an expert. Probably part of the reason I'm here to seek advice from others. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

                    BTW, I didn't ask what "zero" was. Just what the term "cheek weld" was. Is that where your *** is so tight you can't **** and it only comes out of your mouth?
                    You know, I regret that post, my bad. I deserved that response, good one! Follow the advice given by the guys and you should be good to go.
                    Originally posted by Kestryll
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                    • #25
                      Dr Rockso
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 3701

                      Originally posted by yoda888
                      I'm right handed.

                      I was wondering about yardage as well. Seems a lot of people can hit with irons consistently. I have 20/15 (corrected) vision, and even at 25yards I can't see that great without using a scope/binoculars afterwards.

                      I was thinking about trying w/ my left eye next time.

                      Thanks everyone!
                      There are some easy tests (scroll down to the bottom) to determine if you're right or left eye dominant. Most men are eye-dominant on the same side that they're hand-dominant, but not all. It's a good habit to learn to shoot off of the same shoulder you're eye-dominant on so you don't have to re-train yourself later.

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                      • #26
                        jasilva
                        Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 370

                        Originally posted by jazman
                        You know, I regret that post, my bad. I deserved that response, good one! Follow the advice given by the guys and you should be good to go.
                        Class

                        Took the rebuke and shook hands.

                        Nicely done.
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                        If "con" is the opposite of "pro" then is congress the opposite of progress?

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                        • #27
                          goober
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 4875

                          Originally posted by jasilva
                          Class

                          Took the rebuke and shook hands.

                          Nicely done.
                          +1 .
                          Live between Santa Cruz and SLO? Want to get involved?
                          Check out the Central Coast Calguns Community Chapter
                          And join the Central Coast Region Social Group!
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                          • #28
                            Voo
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 1702

                            Originally posted by jasilva
                            Class

                            Took the rebuke and shook hands.

                            Nicely done.
                            agreed.. +!

                            Thumbs up mang!
                            Aloha snackbar!

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                            • #29
                              M. Sage
                              Moderator Emeritus
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 19759

                              Originally posted by yoda888
                              I'm right handed.

                              I was wondering about yardage as well. Seems a lot of people can hit with irons consistently. I have 20/15 (corrected) vision, and even at 25yards I can't see that great without using a scope/binoculars afterwards.

                              I was thinking about trying w/ my left eye next time.

                              Thanks everyone!
                              Doesn't matter. Front sight post should be clear as day, rear sight and target should be out of focus. Focus on the front sight, align it with the blob that is the target, exhale fully and squeeze the trigger. Keep your mind clear of anything but breathing, posture and trigger control so you don't anticipate the report/recoil (not much of that in an AR) and flinch. Doesn't sound like you're flinching, though, since your hits are consistent.

                              Find a nice cheek weld. You should be forward on the stock (nose to charging handle! ), but without having to crane your neck to bring the sights into your line of sight. On an AR, go ahead and bring the stock up in your shoulder, even if it's barely touching your shoulder. In short; bring your weapon to your eye, not your eye to your weapon.

                              Even if you're cross-dominant (right-handed, left-eyed), my advice is to train yourself to shoot right-handed and right-eyed. Guns are built for people with that setup, so you're honestly better off using them that way 90% of the time. The only exception I'd have is handguns. It's easy to shoot a handgun right-handed and left-eyed compared to a rifle. Just so long as you're shooting it right-handed.

                              You probably will have to adjust your sights. That's the downside to a peep sight: everybody's alignment is a little different. Adjust the sight to you. Windage should be adjusted on your rear sight. Get consistent first. Don't change your point of aim between shots. At 25 yards with an AR (with any rifle that isn't pneumatic!) all of your shots should be touching, or extremely close to it. If you can't make a ragged hole with five rounds at 25 yards, you're doing something wrong and need to correct that before you adjust sights.
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                              • #30
                                yoda888
                                Member
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 253

                                Jazman,
                                Not a problem. I was just feeling kind of annoyed at the time, and hence my response. I usually just bite my tongue and move along, but just let loose this time.

                                This response below speaks volumes about you. I was thinking it would turn into a pissing match.

                                Originally posted by jazman
                                You know, I regret that post, my bad. I deserved that response, good one! Follow the advice given by the guys and you should be good to go.

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