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  • mblat
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 3346

    Study after WW2

    Sometime after WW2 US has conducted a study of multiple engagements. The results of the study gave birth to moniker "The side that throws more lead - wins". Basically the result was that higher number of shots was preferable to accuracy of each individual shot.

    I remember reading about on wikipedia, but for the life of me I can't find it. Does anybody remember name of the study or has a link?
    Want to check something in it.

    Thanks
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    Lexicon Devil
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 721

    You should check out this book. It has a lot of the info you're talking about

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      DolphinFan
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      • #4
        The War Wagon
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        • Apr 2011
        • 10294

        Originally posted by DolphinFan
        Spray and pray.
        I think that high-pitched whirring noise, is Jeff Cooper - rotating at 10,000rpm in his grave...
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        • #5
          pacrat
          I need a LIFE!!
          • May 2014
          • 10279

          Originally posted by The War Wagon
          I think that high-pitched whirring noise, is Jeff Cooper - rotating at 10,000rpm in his grave...
          Along with Chris Kyle, Carlos Hathcock, and Simo Hayha, just to name a few.

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          • #6
            smle-man
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            • Jan 2007
            • 10580

            I did a study on that subject when I was at the Ordnance officer advance course. Since the beginning of firearms, fire superiority wins more engagements than aimed accurate fire. Fire superiority pins the adversary in place to allow the attacking force to maneuver and either over-run the pinned force or cause them to retreat.

            The Boer wars, the India Northwest frontier, and Afghanistan are exceptions.

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              Verdha603
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2019
              • 882

              Honestly it's a mixture of both putting more lead down range than the other fellow followed up with good marksmanship.

              You need fire superiority and more lead downrange to pin or immobilize the enemy, that way you now have the ability to maneuver yourself into a better position to finish them off, namely because a target that sits still is a lot easier to hit than a moving one. It's a concept that the US learned from the German's in WWII and the utilization of said tactic hasn't really changed much since the 50's.

              Granted if your thinking of the Post-WWII study that Colonel Grossman used in his book, On Killing, chances are you also read that in those same reports that combat was a more close range affair than the leadership was thinking, with an overwhelming majority of small arms fights occurring at relatively close range, on the order of 75% of all engagements were at or closer than 200 meters, and 90% at 300 meters or less, which put the proverbial nail in the coffin on the outdated concept of "We must have every soldier be an outstanding marksmen that can provide precise fire on a target out at 1000 meters on demand!" when the numbers spoke for themselves that you only need to get most of your soldiers to be good shots out to a third of that distance, and instead set aside time and energy to teach that kind of long range accuracy to an organization of dedicated snipers.

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              • #8
                all-cal
                Member
                • Dec 2013
                • 335

                Originally posted by Lexicon Devil
                You should check out this book. It has a lot of the info you're talking about

                https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psych.../dp/0316040932
                The book has some good points in it, but pays tribute to neo-communism, AKA the Democrat left.

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                • #9
                  TheSpaceNeedle
                  Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 108

                  Since you guys are into this kind of thing. I'm gonna leave this right here.

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                  • #10
                    tnlrat37
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 2166

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                    • #11
                      Jimi Jah
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                      • Jan 2014
                      • 18533

                      One 1000 lb bomb works better than a machine gun.

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                      • #12
                        Tom_SoCal
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                        • Sep 2020
                        • 76

                        Originally posted by mblat
                        Sometime after WW2 US has conducted a study of multiple engagements. The results of the study gave birth to moniker "The side that throws more lead - wins". Basically the result was that higher number of shots was preferable to accuracy of each individual shot.

                        I remember reading about on wikipedia, but for the life of me I can't find it. Does anybody remember name of the study or has a link?
                        Want to check something in it.

                        Thanks
                        An interesting and relevant topic.

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                        • #13
                          Epaphroditus
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                          • Sep 2013
                          • 4888

                          What study? It was big bombs and shrapnel that did most if the damage. Small arms is way down the list.

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                          • #14
                            crowbar
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 561

                            S. L. A. Marshall and the ratio of fire?

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                            • #15
                              OCEquestrian
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                              • Jun 2017
                              • 6876

                              Originally posted by The War Wagon
                              I think that high-pitched whirring noise, is Jeff Cooper - rotating at 10,000rpm in his grave...
                              Exactly right. Combat at average combat ranges is different than a one on one duel at CQB ranges\ ...
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