First real panic, how does it end?

[plumbum]

Y2K, Obama, Aztec Calendar, zombies, ammo bans, COVID-19...

Shotguns and .22’s then whatever else you can scrounge; adapt based on what is in front of you.

[AlHO1966]

It will end after the election no matter what... people act like we have never had a Democrat president before... Remember when Obama was going to take all our guns? Yeah, didn’t happen. Give it about a year and you’ll be able to buy those $500 glocks again.

[oddball]

I have been in past ones and they are all a little different. When Obama was elected, that was a major one, a huge run on semi auto guns, standard cap magazines especially, ammo, etc. AR lowers, lower parts kits, etc. etc. Lasted well over a year. People here were selling their excess ARs, AKs for premium pricing, same with ammo. Similar after the Sandy Hook shooting, .22LR ammo was non existent for a couple of years. In CA, there was an ammo and reloading supplies run after Jerry Brown signed an ammo bill in 2009, similar to the current one, that was eventually struck down by the courts. And yada, yada.

The key in the past was to buy cheap, stack it deep during quiet times. Many members heeded this mantra, many did not. Newbies coming in at the wrong time are screwed as well.

This time is different that there is basically a worldwide shortage of popular ammo. In the past, ammo manufacturers were basically operating around the clock while this time, manufacturing has been slowed down by the Wuhan Flu, which has effected the firearms industry as well. And then there is the uncertainty of November.

But regardless, IMHO, I don't see things possibly coming back to "normal" until next year at the earliest. And I see the national demand for guns and ammo to increase as we see increased unrest from the left, and less involvement by the police.

[The War Wagon]

These problems will be more frequent in the future. The scout motto "Be Prepared" should be the by words for smart citizens moving forward.

As world populations grow competition for resources and other issues will increase and results will not bring harmony.

Ya' KNOW... since the McDonald's shooting in San Diego in '88, each panic HAS gotten worse, and lasted longer than, the previous ones.

I'm sure old timers would say the same about the '60's - MLK & RFK's assassinations leading to the GCA of '68.

[smle-man]

Ya' KNOW... since the McDonald's shooting in San Diego in '88, each panic HAS gotten worse, and lasted longer than, the previous ones.

I'm sure old timers would say the same about the '60's - MLK & RFK's assassinations leading to the GCA of '68.

There was no firearms or ammo shortages then. Even during the feul crises of 73/74 there were no shortages.

[Mac Attack]

Wait for it to be over after the election. Once things do go back to normal you will see all the people who panic bought start to sell their stuff off for the same amount they paid for them. Only problem is non one will pay $1,500 for a Glock when you can buy a NIB one for $500. This will force the seller to price their items at near or below market values which could be good deals if you patient.

[ghilligan]

First real panic, how does it end?
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A bunch of people will be pissed that they spent twice or more for guns that are now back at normal prices.

Or this could happen:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

... and the panic will begin in earnest!

Read the part about plans for banning not just "assault weapons", but any sale of "parts" and any online sales, not just of guns, but of "parts".

I'm not even sure where to start panic buying... everything from barrels to bolt knobs to trigger springs to optics could become unobtainable.

[L.A. Saiga]

Or this could happen:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

... and the panic will begin in earnest!
Read the part about plans for banning not just "assault weapons", but any sale of "parts" and any online sales, not just of guns, but of "parts".
I'm not even sure where to start panic buying... everything from barrels to bolt knobs to trigger springs to optics could become unobtainable.

[Keoroshi]

trump is no fan of the 2A and if the senate turns blue, i’m sure he’ll sign anti-2A bills just like reagan and bush I and II did.

[Endless]

So for me, this is the first real panic on firearms. I was there a few years ago for the ammo shortage, but that lasted a few months.

Right now $550 Glocks (BNIB from your local shop) are trading for $1500 on the secondary market. I remember less than a year ago people couldn’t give away their G19’s and etc.

Have you guys been through one of these? When does it end? Is this frenzy just a snapshot in time or is this going to last a while?

My local shops are sold out to the max. No one is picking up the phones, and they haven’t been in a few months. I heard on a voicemail yesterday that “nothing worthy of self defense can be ordered, so don’t waste our time” lol.

Are manufacturers so far behind that they can’t fulfill orders? How the hell is Remington going out of business when there’s the biggest shortage of firearms at least in my short experience??


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Glocks are a plenty in Arizona or where we live. $375-$475 plus tax and you take home the same day. Maybe a 30 min time frame from coming in to walking out with your firearm.

Ammo is normal with precovid levels. Ranges are open and quarries as well.

Covid is bad in Phoenix and nobody is on the roads from Marana to Green Valley. It's like a ghost town. I am in California for a couple of weeks and folks are everywhere and not wearing masks etc. that's why the cases are going way up. Nobody gives a crap in California it seems. That's why ammo is scarce and firearms. Everyone is thinking worse case.

God help California if Trump wins the election. The democrats have said they won't except those results just like Trump said about them. Lol

Vote Republican!

[pythonfan]

Speaking directly to the glock 19 shortage. There's only one variable that will keep glocks expensive. The roster. If California passes that new bill that eliminates 3 current models for every 1 new micro stamped semi auto, and some company submits a semi auto with microstamping in 1 location in multiple colors, then kiss your gen 3 glocks goodbye asap. I don't imagine it will be one of the traditional firearms companies. I imagine there is a company that has reached out to the author of the bill saying they can makea compliant gun.

Thats my biggest fear at the moment and I don't see too many talking about it. Imagine Google creating some big bulky tech pistol in .22 and submitting in 50 colors. They only need to make enough to get through the tests and maybe sell a few. Then they can just make sure to never be available and presto we have a handgun ban.

[IVC]

It ends the same as the "great toilet paper shortage of 2020" - stuff appears on the shelves again.

The more interesting question here is why do we have this shortage. Normally, manufacturers would crank up the production to meet the demand (although they have learned not to do it too fast), but in this case we have broken supply chains due to government shutdowns. So the question of normal supply is two-fold: (1) when will the supply chains normalize and recover from government-mandated shutdowns, and (2) when will the manufacturers ramp up production to meet the demand.

Remington is going out of business the same way rich people go bankrupt - spending more than they make (poor management). There is nothing they can do at the moment because the broken supply chain is affecting them the same way it's affecting other manufacturers and they are in no position to even try to compete.

[geekeye]

manufacturers have not massively cranked up production this time because the last time they did they got caught with excess inventory when the buying frenzy unexpectedly stopped. this time they are hedging their bets. because of that, some are saying it could take a couple of years for things to get back to normal.

[oldsmoboat]

Meh, it's not a panic if I don't need to buy...

[SCVlongstroke]

A buddy wanted to purchase his 1st AK but wanted to wait a bit, Sandy Hook happened and the next day he hit up crossroads at Ventura. He paid I believe about $200 above what a WASR was going for only days before. Fast forward to before Covid and the WASR prices went up about another $2-300. I’m sure now prices are up again. It’s just how it is with firearms. I’ve heard from many people not to sell unless it’s of no use to you.