Are you upgrading your 1-4 LPVOs?

[broadside]

I like the options my 1-4x gives me, including the true 1x. But its heavy and bulky. The wide FOV is nicer than my Vortex red dot but with two eyes, its not much of a difference.

The one thing no one has raised yet is that the 1-6x, 1-8x, 1-10x start to get long in length and your vision starts to get obstructed when shooting two eyes.

[SloChicken]

I just picked up a 1-6 strike eagle with the upgraded bdc3 reticle. I haven't shot it yet but it looks great. There is a big markup to get to 8x or 10x . While they review great at that price range you really need to be shooting a caliber that can make use of it at those longer ranges.


For the non Tactical cool. They reason these scopes are popular is they can offer a true 1x so essentially a red dot but quickly go out to 6x, 8x or even 10x . All is like putting a magnifier on that red dot but much higher magnification and a higher quality reticle. Looking at weight and cost these lpvo should end the magnifier market.

I have to say, that I use my ACOGs and other mid-variable magnification scopes as a 1x by simply practicing Bindon Aiming concept principles.
Sounds all wordy-tactico but it is very effective. i feel at zero disadvantage using my 2.5-10x in this method (granted it has a tritium dot in the middle of the reticle) and it acts exactly as a red dot would. There is no parallax that noticibly pulls my shot off target that I have found, and wouldn’t be surprised that from an engineering perspective this would hold true.


Bindon explained,

Not that you don’t know of this already - but for the uninitiated.
As mentioned in the article below during the talk about Bindon’s Method, they discuss occluded shooting.
You can experiment doing this with a cap over the objective lens on an illuminated reticle optic.
You can effectively be on target using the dot/reticle, even though you cannot see the target through the scope.
Further, the reticle will act as a 1x doing this.
Same applies with the cover off, except you just dominate focus with the scope eye and all of a sudden, “magnification”!
Viola!

Bindon Aiming Concept

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-bindon-aiming-concept-one-big-misunderstanding/

[MarikinaMan]

IMO, if you are in a defensive situation and are mobile, taking shots at 400 yd is not tactically sound (usually) as it gives away your position. You could use that time the danger takes to cross that distance to move or conceal yourself.

Unless you are in the middle of an open field (why?) or the desert, there is no reason to make yourself known.

I don’t agree with that. In a SHTF situation, I imagine urban war zones like those in Syria, Iraq and even the recent siege in the Philippines to involve long range small arm battles while still needing CQB capabilities for when fighting comes up close.

I’m no soldier though so I will defer to those that know better. It kinda makes sense though to engage from afar rather than up close when one can.

[broadside]

Don't go to those places then....

400 yds in an urban environment is rare unless you are posted up on a roof as overwatch or have picked a location directly inline with a road. I suppose if I was alone and could have only one rifle then I may reconsider my view. But my current SHTF rifle is a 14.5" lightweight with a 1x red dot and 3x magnifier so I am not at a huge disadvantage compared to 1x only.

[MarikinaMan]

Don't go to those places then....

400 yds in an urban environment is rare unless you are posted up on a roof as overwatch or have picked a location directly inline with a road. I suppose if I was alone and could have only one rifle then I may reconsider my view. But my current SHTF rifle is a 14.5" lightweight with a 1x red dot and 3x magnifier so I am not at a huge disadvantage compared to 1x only.

[broadside]

Back on topic.

Is weight an issue for you?
Do you have other people with you that have longer range capability or are you that guy, or worse yet, alone?
Do you want to shoot two eyes and have more complete FOV? I have used a 1-6x and the additional length over my short 1-4x created a larger blind spot.

[Uncivil Engineer]

Don't go to those places then....



400 yds in an urban environment is rare unless you are posted up on a roof as overwatch or have picked a location directly inline with a road. I suppose if I was alone and could have only one rifle then I may reconsider my view. But my current SHTF rifle is a 14.5" lightweight with a 1x red dot and 3x magnifier so I am not at a huge disadvantage compared to 1x only.

I live on a good sized hill with a 240 degree view. I can see several miles in most directions. We could grill steaks on the balcony and put down the size of mobs seen in Portland before we finished the potato salad.

[MarikinaMan]

Back on topic.

Is weight an issue for you?
Do you have other people with you that have longer range capability or are you that guy, or worse yet, alone?
Do you want to shoot two eyes and have more complete FOV? I have used a 1-6x and the additional length over my short 1-4x created a larger blind spot.

[Brush Guard]

Probably not for a DH or self defense rifle. Distances are too close to need more than 4x.

But, if the new scope is a lot better at 1X, than the old 1x4, then heck yea.

[SirRicky85]

I had a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x I liked, but I got something else to match my other reticle. Easier to use and keep all platform the same.

[damon1272]

I run 2 trijicon 1x4 with the German post with green triangles. Glass is great and no batteries required. If I had the cash to burn, sure I would change them out.
In reality they are just fine. Sometimes too much magnification is just too much to mess with when at a lower magnification you get a wider angle of view.
I would ask this, is it a target rifle or a defensive rifle and how far out can you justify engaging someone? At 4x you can get out past 400 yards on a man sized target.
In what reasonable world would you engage someone that far out? Would it not be better to leave the area? So after answering these questions at least for me 1x4 is fine.

[MarikinaMan]

I run 2 trijicon 1x4 with the German post with green triangles. Glass is great and no batteries required. If I had the cash to burn, sure I would change them out.
In reality they are just fine. Sometimes too much magnification is just too much to mess with when at a lower magnification you get a wider angle of view.
I would ask this, is it a target rifle or a defensive rifle and how far out can you justify engaging someone? At 4x you can get out past 400 yards on a man sized target.
In what reasonable world would you engage someone that far out? Would it not be better to leave the area? So after answering these questions at least for me 1x4 is fine.

You make good points on the need for more magnification. Maybe I should just buy another 1-4 which are stupid cheap right now.

As for needing it, I feel I need it for this rifle, which is my all around do everything rig. I have an AK and a PCC set up with red dots. They have their purpose apart from this one.

[ghilligan]

And civilians with AR-15s are going to be engaging them?

In that case, as long as you can shoot farther than they can throw rocks and Frapppuccino bottles, I think you'll be OK.

[DrewN]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/th...understanding/

Back in the old N cell battery EoTech days, before the front lens cover, we would just tape over the front lens. Worked just as well. I was almost out of the game at that point, but evidently give-away from the emitter wasn't as big a deal as we thought at the time, since I almost never see anyone run the GG&G type shields.

[MarikinaMan]

And civilians with AR-15s are going to be engaging them?

In that case, as long as you can shoot farther than they can throw rocks and Frapppuccino bottles, I think you'll be OK.