The last laugh

[elSquid]

I paid $50 over MSRP

Welcome to the club!

You did fine, btw.

The reality is that most of us learned about the ebb and flow of the gun market the hard way: by being caught out when things suddenly changed, demand spiked, and products became hard to get. It's happened relatively frequently over the decades.

-- Michael

[DDM4556]

Truth.

Welcome, and congrats on your new purchases.

[Verdha603]

Yes, I'll admit I got some laughs and a couple cases of "I told you so", but in due seriousness putting down new gun owners is the equivalent of slitting our own throats before the gun-control advocates.

Yes, they're new, late to the party, and it took a pandemic, riots, and an upcoming election to have them show up and watch firearms and ammunition become a scarce resource. But unless they're literally still on the whole "I wan't as much gun control as possible AND I want to easily obtain a gun", I'll attempt to be open minded and hopefully convince them along the journey into the gun owning community that what gun control advocates have been selling them is little more than snake oil and feel good sound-bites.

I'm not going to put them down for paying above normal market prices for what they view as piece of mind, and will try to continue providing what assistance I can to ease them into the gun owning community and hopefully see eye to eye, whether it be offering to take them to the range and provide some pointers on the basic shooting fundamentals, letting them try a couple of my own firearms to see if it's something they would like to purchase themselves, to offering to lend them a couple spare magazines and boxes of ammo and letting them know they can pay be back with magazines and ammo when the prices come down again.

Meanwhile, I'll just be thankful that I got what I have and even more thankful that I planned ahead enough that the rising prices mostly haven't affected me (though finding even some of the firearm parts I'm looking for is turning into a game of cat and mouse since everything I've been looking for recently is either out of stock or on a 4-6 week wait list as companies are catching up with orders after opening up again when quarantine restrictions started getting lifted in their states).

[B2D]

Does anyone see all these new gun owners or people panic buying guns for 3x their worth and you just laugh
It’s always good to have the last laugh [emoji23]
Who’s with me ??


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I don't. I kind of feel sorry for them that they waited until they needed a gun because crisis all of a sudden and now shopping is more difficult. Kind of... not overly so.

But better late than never. I've taken more of my co-workers and friends to their 1st time at the range in the last 6 months than I have in the previous 5 years.

Every expert was a n00b once. I like sharing and gaining knowledge.

[osis32]

Here's my gripe about the influx of new blood. I was born and raised in San Francisco. One of the most restrictive parts of state and country. We have had our last gun shop run out of town our only reliable range shut down the spring clay range closed and many other shooting spots in the bay shuttered. My parents are anti gun my city is anti gun and I am hardcore 2a. No one prevented you from exercising your rights. You chose not to. I am a student of history and our founding fathers created the bill of rights for a reason. So that whole excuse of not being born into it is a cop out. I took it upon myself to learn to make informed decisions and make sure I had the means to be content and fairly well prepared. You made a conscious decision to neglect exercising your God given right. For whatever reason you have decided now is the time. I won't assume but I have a pretty good idea. We'll see what you advocate for politically. As far as the demographic shift iif that's the case everywhere becomes California and America dies. So excuse me if im a little skeptical but I'm not going to suck your dick because you finally realized you are responsible for your own safety. Life is short freedom is fleeting and internet back pats don't mean diddly.

[wpod]

No, I'm not laughing with you. I'm pitying your shallowness.

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[Epaphroditus]

Over payment for tools of freedom is more common than not - one of the few serious problems easily solved for a few $. Money well spent.

[JC2020]

Welcome to the club!

You did fine, btw.

The reality is that most of us learned about the ebb and flow of the gun market the hard way: by being caught out when things suddenly changed, demand spiked, and products became hard to get. It's happened relatively frequently over the decades.

-- Michael

Thanks! I already have plans for the next ebb in the market. Trying to be patient, which does not come easily to me.

[sarbiker]

Thanks! I already have plans for the next ebb in the market. Trying to be patient, which does not come easily to me.

Well welcome to the shooting community and to CG. I commend you on being a responsible gun owner by getting training and actually practicing. You don't always need live ammo to practice you can dry fire as well.

As for a 1911 - once you get one you'll understand why a gun from the early 1900's is still popular in 2020.

[JC2020]

Here's my gripe about the influx of new blood. I was born and raised in San Francisco. One of the most restrictive parts of state and country. We have had our last gun shop run out of town our only reliable range shut down the spring clay range closed and many other shooting spots in the bay shuttered. My parents are anti gun my city is anti gun and I am hardcore 2a. No one prevented you from exercising your rights. You chose not to. I am a student of history and our founding fathers created the bill of rights for a reason. So that whole excuse of not being born into it is a cop out. I took it upon myself to learn to make informed decisions and make sure I had the means to be content and fairly well prepared. You made a conscious decision to neglect exercising your God given right. For whatever reason you have decided now is the time. I won't assume but I have a pretty good idea. We'll see what you advocate for politically. As far as the demographic shift iif that's the case everywhere becomes California and America dies. So excuse me if im a little skeptical but I'm not going to suck your dick because you finally realized you are responsible for your own safety. Life is short freedom is fleeting and internet back pats don't mean diddly.

Are you otherwise in line with SF politics, other than 2A issues? If you are, then you should have no problem with people joining the firearm community. If you are against what majority San Francisco believes, then that’s my point. People should advocate for the 2A together, even if they don’t agree on everything else. If only those who look, think, and act like you are allowed to share your passion for firearms, then you’re dividing and weakening the size and strength of the 2A community. Especially if you belong to a group that is growing smaller every year.

Have you run for office? That’s a right, too. You aren’t neglecting your rights if you haven’t, though. Just like those who haven’t bought guns before weren’t necessarily neglecting their rights. And the Second Amendment is NOT a God-given right, even if owning firearms is. It’s in the Constitution’s Bill of Rights, which can be _Amended_ by American citizens. Many of California’s firearm laws don’t appear to be constitutional, though.

You don’t need to agree with every new gun owner on everything. But being angry we “took this long” won’t make the situation in California or America any better for you. You complain the laws are restrictive but don’t want people to join your side of the issue?

Welcoming us in, informing our ignorance (despite how annoying we can be) helps strengthen your cause. I agree we can be irritating as a group, especially when we complain about how difficult things are or how expensive firearms and ammo can be. I don’t mind having those things pointed out to me, because it helps me understand the situation. I’m glad most of the people I’ve met online have been nice, and everyone I’ve met in person has been very kind and supportive. I’ll bet you are, too.

Help the new guys and girls out. You won’t have to suck anything, unless you want to exercise that right.

[JC2020]

Well welcome to the shooting community and to CG. I commend you on being a responsible gun owner by getting training and actually practicing. You don't always need live ammo to practice you can dry fire as well.

As for a 1911 - once you get one you'll understand why a gun from the early 1900's is still popular in 2020.

[1bulletBarney]

One thing that was lacking in my safe was a self defense 12 gauge pump shotgun. For years I seen Mossberg 500 & Remington 870 "tactical" 18.5" & 20" barrel length shotguns for bargain prices and I never pulled the trigger, thinking they would always be available. Shame on me...

I found an ATI S-Beam 18.5 barrel length shotty in the marketplace, new in box. Seller says he purchased shotgun from Turners. Turners has them listed @ $249 and Sportsman's Warehouse had them listed at $209 (both out of stock). I paid $300 for shotgun which is a fair deal considering the overall market and availability of self defense shotguns...

I welcome the new gun owners, if they pay premium prices for what the want or need, it's their money...

[Jeepergeo]

Man you guys are sticks in the mud some times. I find it funny watching people figure out big daddy government can't save you and isn't there for you. We'll see how these people choose to vote. If they continue to vote left then we'll know they are only doing it because they were scared by the mobs and are happy to give more power to the state.

Gun ownership does not equate well to life and voting patterns nor to 2A support. It's like someone that buys a house in the woods and then wants restrictions put in place to prevent the neighboring property owner from building a house in the woods on their own property.

How many gun owners are members of Unions that support Dem/Lib politicians? How many of those gun owning Union members will openly challenge the Union and demand that they stop supporting candidates that are anti 2A, pro illegal entrant, pro tax, etc? The answer is that most don't have the cajones to speak out and effectively self neuter themselves in terms of their rights to speak out.

[Erion929]

I “laugh” at the prices....but I don't laugh at the buyers that have to pay them, I cringe

I’m just glad that I already have most of my wants and don’t have to participate in the frenzy. The marketplace is really no fun anymore....


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[DDM4556]

Here's my gripe about the influx of new blood. I was born and raised in San Francisco. One of the most restrictive parts of state and country. We have had our last gun shop run out of town our only reliable range shut down the spring clay range closed and many other shooting spots in the bay shuttered. My parents are anti gun my city is anti gun and I am hardcore 2a. No one prevented you from exercising your rights. You chose not to. I am a student of history and our founding fathers created the bill of rights for a reason. So that whole excuse of not being born into it is a cop out. I took it upon myself to learn to make informed decisions and make sure I had the means to be content and fairly well prepared. You made a conscious decision to neglect exercising your God given right. For whatever reason you have decided now is the time. I won't assume but I have a pretty good idea. We'll see what you advocate for politically. As far as the demographic shift iif that's the case everywhere becomes California and America dies. So excuse me if im a little skeptical but I'm not going to suck your dick because you finally realized you are responsible for your own safety. Life is short freedom is fleeting and internet back pats don't mean diddly.

My hat's off to you.

We're all raised by someone. Odds are we will adapt their beliefs through indoctrination - whether deliberate or not. Very few are capable of reaching their own truly free thought - independent from that which has been ingrained since birth. Your story is impressive.

My parents are republican Jewish. Since I was young, I was taught about the struggle...Israel, and antisemitism... I used to be sensitive toward matters involving Jews and Israel. It took me decades to realize that for one thing, I don't subscribe to organized religion.. But also that I don't have some magic bond to other Jews just because they are Jewish. That's fallacious thinking. Its what someone does that makes me respect them. I don't care what someone looks like or believes in, I have a bond with those who share the same core values and ethics that I do. When I hear antisemitic comments here, I understand why. Many Jews have shamefully forgotten their heritage, and their actions have done damage our freedoms. That's inexcusable.

As one advocating the welcoming of new members, I'm not suggesting we tiptoe around new members, or pander to those who lean left. Just that we should represent ourselves well, because I believe we are the most upstanding and truly "woke" citizens. I want the noobs to see this and discover that the lies they'be been fed are wrong.

Freedom is everything. It took thousands of years for humans to accomplish it, and now its under attack again. We need numbers to defend it.

Sorry for hijacking the thread... carry on.