My employer

[SamGoldstein]

A short story:

About a year ago a co-worker and I were talking about firearms (totally innocent). Apparently, someone was eves dropping and snitched to HR. We were both told to not talk about firearms at work because we have to respect others feelings and that it is insensitive. Fast forward to June 17 this year. We all received an email about racial injustice cuz, you know, rioters. There was a discussion forum and employees were invited to voice their concerns. As I was reading the comments I noticed employees wanting to get my employer to financially support the BLM organization. I decided to add my voice against that idea, and I posted a video of the BLM marchers chanting "pigs in a blanket fry 'em like bacon" which is anti-Police, in addition to stating it was Marxist and bigoted. So now, two weeks ago, HR contacted me and said my video was removed because it was inappropriate. They said they would investigate and let me know if there was any disciplinary action. Today, I got the final call. They told me that my posts along with the firearm discussion I had with a co-worker raised a red flag. I had somehow violated the code of conduct (how?), and that I need to be refreshed about what is expected of me at work. I still have a job, but I don't really feel like busting my butt for them anymore. I hate having to sit there and take this kind of crap from ignorant totalitarians. But, until I have another job, I can't do a thing. Obviously I'm not gonna get involved in any employee discussion forum. Anybody have a similar experience with free speech at work?

[Bigtwin]

Their house, their rules. Looks like it's time to find a new job.

[usr1987]

Get a lawyer, sue them for violating your right to free speech and expression as other in the posts did. While the lawsuit ins in progress look for another job!

[kurac]

So they asked your opinion then told you that you can't have one because it goes against the mob mentality? Sharing a video that highlighted other peoples hostile chants was some how a reflection of yourself? Obviously they don't have a leg to stand on but I don't think you are going to win any kind of logical debate against the company that employs you. Get a recording device and keep it recording for any "meetings" that you might be a part of, also capture screen shots of any grey company announcements or policy that might put them in legal jeopardy down the road.

[lmcc0072]

Get a lawyer, sue them for violating your right to free speech and expression as other in the posts did. While the lawsuit ins in progress look for another job!

[Uncivil Engineer]

Get a lawyer, sue them for violating your right to free speech and expression as other in the posts did. While the lawsuit ins in progress look for another job!

Exactly where is the government shutting down his speech? This is not a first amendment issue. At best he might claim a hostile work environment but I doubt out will fly.

The best option is to just self sensor. If you feel the need to fight it point out that "tolerance" and "inclusivity" must also apply to thought and where is the support for conservatives. I'd suggest separating the sentiment behind "BLM" and the organization. Most reasonable people will support the idea of "BLM" when it's in the context of police should deeseclate and try to preserve life. But when point out the leaders of the organization are Marxist and there is little oversight of organization you might find more support.

[mikeyr]

it is discrimination but easier to never participate in any non-work related discussions while at work and move on with life.
I am not politically correct, so I keep my mouth shut and keep my job.

[Pofoo]

Ca is a at will state and they can fire you at any time for any or no reason.
Keep your eyes open and jump when it's best for you. This is the new reality where some whiny pos can get you harassed or fired.
Some companies have long memories and hold a grudge, so this could pop up way down the road.

[n8vrmind]

That is terrible, I will make sure to never do business with your current double standard SJW employer.

Most likely you can't directly name your employer. However, can you drop some subtle clues?

[Citadelgrad87]

Get a lawyer, sue them for violating your right to free speech and expression as other in the posts did. While the lawsuit ins in progress look for another job!

I am a lawyer who has litigated employment issues.

Other than the look for another job, this is terrible advice. There is no free speech at work, the first amendment only applies to the government.

[Like2fly]

You may or may not have a case here. 1st amendment rights generally don’t extend into private sector workplaces. Although your employer may be legally justified in doing whatever they have, I as an employee (in your shoes) would not feel much loyalty to this company and I would suggest starting a file of any and all wrong doing by this company or any of their employees, even on things not related to you. I too suggest you start looking for a better place to work, as I would not be surprised if you are released by them in the near future. If the time comes that they decide to dump you, having documented “dirt” on them may come in handy, to you or a lawyer.

[DDM4556]

I am a lawyer who has litigated employment issues.

Other than the look for another job, this is terrible advice. There is no free speech at work, the first amendment only applies to the government.

Free speech aside. Couldn't OP sue for an uncomfortable workplace, or harassment?

My wife worked HR for years for a large company. They had multiple lawsuits from a myriad of employees. Rather than drag out the process, the company settled with ALL of them because it was the far cheaper alternative.

Couldn't such a case apply to OP?

[Citadelgrad87]

Free speech aside. Couldn't OP sue for an uncomfortable workplace, or harassment?

My wife worked HR for years for a large company. They had multiple lawsuits from a myriad of employees. Rather than drag out the process, the company settled with ALL of them because it was the far cheaper alternative.

Couldn't such a case apply to OP?

Anyone can sue for anything, of course. What's uncomfortable about them telling him not to talk about guns at work, then removing a video he posted?

It depends on the company. The ones I represented, major aerospace companies, always fought, and almost never paid anything.

If he sues, he better make a killing because his future at the company is zero.

[Tarmy]

This may be a legal issue....but the real problem is that your employer has decided that their business sees things in a way that will eventually become a problem for you (bigger than the one that currently exists).

They clearly kept a file that contained info from the previous issue/discussion. They are required by law to show you your employee file if requested. You should request to review it to see what else is in there that may follow you, be used against you...or be brought up by any questions from any new potential employer on a job search.

They have basically told you they do not want your “type” by their discussion with you. Your call from here on out...

Oh...keep your mouth shut...and ask for copies of any write ups, disciplinary actions or reviews that are negative.

[beerman]

What company OP? Out the commie bastardos. When I chat with my HR manager, the same subject usually comes up.. “hey, your husband bought you any cool guns lately?”Always gives her a laugh cause we’re on to his excuses. It’s heaven to work for a gun friendly company.