What did Springfield Armory do?

[Verdha603]

They also get ragged on a lot for manufacturing an "inferior" M1A compared to other manufactured (James River Armory, Fulton Armory, etc.), because they use a cast receiver instead of a forged one. They also get ragged on alot for never bringing back the bayonet lug on their rifles after the expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

But apparently neither of those are deal breakers considering SA M1A's are about the only ones I ever see in gun shops while every other type of M1A/M14 needs to be ordered from a distributor if someone wants it badly enough.

[-hanko]

They did something anti-2a like every other gun maker has done at some point. So they are getting hate for it. Just buy a gun from them and enjoy it. They make/import good firearms.

"Like every other gun maker" is complete BS.

They truly have the best customer service. I need to send them one of my Mil Specs.

That may be the only thing that saves them.

They also get ragged on a lot for manufacturing an "inferior" M1A compared to other manufactured (James River Armory, Fulton Armory, etc.), because they use a cast receiver instead of a forged one. They also get ragged on alot for never bringing back the bayonet lug on their rifles after the expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

But apparently neither of those are deal breakers considering SA M1A's are about the only ones I ever see in gun shops while every other type of M1A/M14 needs to be ordered from a distributor if someone wants it badly enough.

If common sense is present, James River Armory, Fulton, Polytec, etc. can be ordered through a distributor. No big deal and you know you're getting a better weapon.

[IVC]

Manufacturers are usually held accountable and these things get sorted out. It’s good to show them they can’t cross us, but at some point we have to forgive or drive them out of business.

Armatix was done. No way we would support a company that pushes technology at political offices (CA legislature) instead of SHOT show - gun control through legislation vs. free market. Ruger was forgiven. So was Smith & Wesson.

Then, there are companies that looked down on civilians and catered to governments (LE, military). They are also contentious to some...

[Scotty]

Not true!! Not " every other gun maker " has done what Springfield did.

Remington, Marlin, Kimber, Colt, Para Ordnance, RIA, Beretta, Browning, HK, FNH, Sig, etc. etc. have not committed such a despicable act..........so far.

HK secretly signed the same deal Smith & Wesson did. Smith & Wesson almost went under from the boycott before they were bought out. People didn't find out about HK till much later, and obviously you didn't know either.

Para Ordnance was Canadian.

[Verdha603]

"Like every other gun maker" is complete BS.



That may be the only thing that saves them.



If common sense is present, James River Armory, Fulton, Polytech, etc. can be ordered through a distributor. No big deal and you know you're getting a better weapon.

If common sense was present then dealer's and customers wouldn't be resorting to ordering SA M1A's via distributors as well, but the numbers don't lie. SA M1A's, regardless of whatever complaints people have about their build quality, still consider them good enough to buy them out of shops and buy enough of them to get the dealers to buy more of them, while JRA, Fulton and the like are only known to more hard-core M1A fans and never end up in a shop unless someone specifically orders it.

And honestly I'd love to see Polytech anything show up on a distributor's site considering they've been banned from importing rifles and handguns to the US since the Clinton administration.

[Wheellock]

When I see an M1A in a shop, the missing bayo lug stands out to me like (your choice of expletive). I have a bayonet, and I want to option to use it, should I ever find a reason to use one... 3 gun round with a bayonet target would be fun.

[DArBad]

HK secretly signed the same deal Smith & Wesson did. Smith & Wesson almost went under from the boycott before they were bought out. People didn't find out about HK till much later, and obviously you didn't know either.

Para Ordnance was Canadian.

Then I will omit from that list HK(I just did, by the way). Still, there are MORE gun makers who didn't do what Springfield Inc. did. That was my point.

[Robert1234]

That's not free you know. It's built into the price. That's why they sell poorly fitted guns with junk internals for $900.00.

Outstanding customer service reputation purchased at the expense of a lousy QC reputation.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

They dumped a new AR-15 into a very saturated EBR market. And then you had dumbarses like me who went out and bought one.

[L84CABO]

From above link;



Sounds like the "IFMA" took a few lessons from the LE Unions in CrapOfornia.

With the caveat that, instead of going with the flow from their Association Negotiated carve out.

SA and RR stepped up, denounced the deal, and broke ties with their Association.

EDIT...........And BTW SB-1657 and HB-1273. Narrowly passed both houses [Demrats] and were vetoed by the Gov. Which neither house could overturn.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018...bills-defeated

Um...keep in mind that the IFMA literally had three employees in it. One was the CEO or Springfield Arms, one was the CEO of RR, and the third employee was their hired lobbyist. Springfield claimed they didn't know what IFMA was doing.

At best they were grossly negligent in managing their lobbyist. At worst they knew exactly what he was doing and lied about it.

I guess it depends on what you believe. Do you think a lobbyist would have made a major move like that without his boss' knowledge?

[JoyfulJoker]

Every review I read of the XD series says they are outstanding. How come you don’t see people competing with them?

[Coffeeandgunsandammo]

Every review is done by youtube shills and the like. Springfield makes a lot of profit on their cheap Turkish guns, and then misleads the people with their false advertising of being and old american manufacturer when all they did was buy the rights to the name.

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[Coffeeandgunsandammo]

Do you mean that YouTube reviews are not fair and honest reviews by people without any type of agenda? Why, wouldn't that make them an extension of advertising? Like watching commercials? Seriously, I like the Half-Cock45 guy with the bottle of Ballistol that's always sitting on the table. Reminds me of Marilyn Chambers (XXX) and the box of ivory snow soap that was always in the background. They both got paid.

What's ivory soap?

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[Bobby Ricigliano]

That's not free you know. It's built into the price. That's why they sell poorly fitted guns with junk internals for $900.00.

Outstanding customer service reputation purchased at the expense of a lousy QC reputation.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I agree with the above commentary regarding gun reviews YouTube channels. I do find many of them entertaining, but the more popular ones are definitely sponsored.

That same collusion dates back to the era of print gun magazines. You had to take the articles with a grain of salt because the guns they reviewed were often made by companies that advertised heavily in the same publications.