Question - Wording the 'WTS' post?

[edgerly779]

No way to guarantee 30 minute timeline now. If your selling you find an ffl near that you can wotk with and make buyer come to you. Do not chose one that does not release on undetermined.

[rodralig]

No way to guarantee 30 minute timeline now. If your selling you find an ffl near that you can wotk with and make buyer come to you. Do not chose one that does not release on undetermined.

Correct! I know of a few places that can get me out in around 30-mins. Maybe 1-hr at most. I just did a couple of weeks back with a non-CGner (and a new FSC holder).

And yes, I first check if the FFL will release on undetermined.

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[edgerly779]

Good that should help make transaction go smoothly. Buyer must already have his docs.

[Beelzy]

Well heck, that's a lot of drama in a for sale ad.
I just post the basics and have no trouble at all.

[DDM4556]

OP, nothing you've said is unreasonable. Just be aware that sometimes reading this is off-putting to the sales process. You may want to send someone this via PM instead, and make sure they agree before finalizing the appt. Again, nothing unreasonable here. But if you're going to leave it in the ad, maybe find a way of making the rest a little more light-hearted.

Also, there's a spelling error.

FFL will NOT be in one of the big names like Turner's, Ammo Bros, etc. unless you can guarantee me that we would be IN and OUT in 30-minutes or less (I value my time and so should you).
I know a few FFLs along the XXX freeway that have provided courteous and quick PPT processing. (a couple of weeks back, I had PPTed a Glock 34 Gen 3 to a friend in less than 30-mins).
DROS approval is your responsibility. If for any reason you get denied and I have to come in again, I will require 30% of the price for the trouble. Make sure your papers are in order. (That said, it is actually good not to go to Turner's because they don't release a firearm on "undetermined.")
If we have agreed on a date and time for the transaction, and you back out on the day itself - you will get a NEGATIVE iTrader rating.
If on the agreed date/time for the transaction and you're short on cash and attempt to negotiate a lower price, the deal will be called off and you will get a NEGATIVE iTrader rating.
All communications, like questions, requests for photos, etc. are to be handled through CalGuns messaging. Only when we have a deal to proceed with the transaction that I will share my mobile number.
If you make me wait for more than an hour before showing up - you will get a NEGATIVE iTrader rating.

[mikeyr]

nothing you have said is unreasonable except your %30 of the price if you have to go back, things happen, mistakes happen and that is ridiculously high for a mistake.

Having said that, I would not buy from you period, to me (and I seem to be the only one based on reading other comments) you are a difficult person to deal with and I would not, even though the requirements are reasonable. Life is too short to deal with difficult people.

[rodralig]

OP, nothing you've said is unreasonable. Just be aware that sometimes reading this is off-putting to the sales process. You may want to send someone this via PM instead, and make sure they agree before finalizing the appt. Again, nothing unreasonable here. But if you're going to leave it in the ad, maybe find a way of making the rest a little more light-hearted.

Sound idea... Let me work through this...

Man, if it weren't for the scams/flakes, etc. this would have been so simple. All my past transactions were so smooth and simple!

nothing you have said is unreasonable except your %30 of the price if you have to go back, things happen, mistakes happen and that is ridiculously high for a mistake.

Having said that, I would not buy from you period, to me (and I seem to be the only one based on reading other comments) you are a difficult person to deal with and I would not, even though the requirements are reasonable. Life is too short to deal with difficult people.

That particular percentage came from some other CGner with a high iTrader rating. Like I said, there was this thread that he/she posted his/her conditions on every WTS. If I could only find it...

On the other hand, of course, it is all on you to deal with me or not. Indeed, life is too short to deal with difficult people; the same, time is valuable to waste on unreliable people.


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[Ross]

Why would you even consider refunding money if they can't pass the DROS?

Once you have the cash and leave the FFL, it's their firearm to deal with.

[DDM4556]

Why would you even consider refunding money if they can't pass the DROS?

Once you have the cash and leave the FFL, it's their firearm to deal with.

Not if they fail dros. They could also pursue it in small claims. Not worth it.

[rodralig]

Why would you even consider refunding money if they can't pass the DROS?

Once you have the cash and leave the FFL, it's their firearm to deal with.

Not if they fail dros. They could also pursue it in small claims. Not worth it.

My understanding is that if the buyer fails the DROS, DOJ will do a background check against the seller without requiring another DROS. If the seller passes the check, then the FFL will need to return the firearm to the seller. Mine you, I still have to experience this, so, anyone please chime in if I have this wrong...

That said, what I see from the other sellers is making it clear in the WTS that for any reason that the DROS fails, a refund is given minus a percentage for the trouble, etc. (what I remember was 30% - just can't find it in the Marketplace).


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[dozer wright]

When selling I work with my schedule. If the purchaser is serious they will go to the Ffl of your choice..
I have never had a flake on Calguns and all sales and Purchases went smooth. Except one the seller was Deceitful about his Firearm, and I had him come to my Ffl and It was no worry to me.
But as a Good person I gave hime $20 gas money. Because he was selling because of financial issues.

[003]

Frankly, it reads rather rude and demanding. If I was involved with a seller and he send that to me, I would blow him off and cancel the sale. I do understand the need to keep a sale on track, but I would never be as rude or demanding as what I read.

I have both sold and bought from a number of Calgunners, never had an issue. why be so unpleasant?

A positive sale/purchase is a two way street. What guarantee are you prepared to provide to the buyer if you are late or for some reason have to cancel and reschedule?

Perhaps if it was worded that both parties agree to the following, etc..........................

[norcal77]

Frankly, it reads rather rude and demanding. If I was involved with a seller and he send that to me, I would blow him off and cancel the sale. I do understand the need to keep a sale on track, but I would never be as rude or demanding as what I read.

I have both sold and bought from a number of Calgunners, never had an issue. why be so unpleasant?

When somebody commits to purchasing and they flake or try to negotiate it onsite it gets old fast, I see nothing wrong with this. My suggestion of non-refundable deposit is probably easier, and less words, plus better for seller because you win either way.

[003]

When somebody commits to purchasing and they flake or try to negotiate it onsite it gets old fast, I see nothing wrong with this. My suggestion of non-refundable deposit is probably easier, and less words, plus better for seller because you win either way.

To each his own. My comments stand. Been around the block a few times myself.

[BB1776]

I get that we get a lot of chumps in todays interweb world, but If I found a firearm that I was serious about purchasing, and I saw an ad like OP has worded, I'd be like, "Nope", "I'll Pass". Again, we have all kinds of tire kickers out here and there is no harm is setting rules. But when someone goes off the deep end with demands, It would ruin my boner for buying.

Flame Suit On

I agree. The whole thing sounds very high-maintenance.