Question - Wording the 'WTS' post?

[FISHNFRANK]

Honestly, I’ve sold a lot of guns via Calguns. But I’ve actually sold my last three via consignment again because I’m just sick of dealing with the bull$it. I don’t really need the 20 or 25 percent bad enough to go through the grief anymore. I’d just rather consign them. Something changed about 3-5 years ago where a lot more fakes and flakes started getting into firearms. Maybe it’s generational? I’m my late 50s and have been used to guys who’s word was their bond. But it’s not like that anymore. I’ve always said that a hunter or fisherman won’t ever cheat you but I’m just not even sure about that now.

[deckhandmike]

I had some stuff for sale lately and it was a total **** show of newbs/scammers. I wouldn’t even consider selling to someone without a itrader. I had people threaten me because I didn’t want to sell to them. This site has been recently plagued with scammer buyers.

[BigPimping]

If I was buying and I saw a person who had their posting worded like that. With all those different threats for all kinds of reasons, I would definitely keep looking.

Somebody who would post something like that seems to me to have a lot of anger. I'd rather just deal with somebody low-key.

All the Calgunners I have dealt with have been pretty chill. But that was because I was pretty careful about who I do business with.

[BigPimping]

I did post a off-roster and difficult to acquire handgun recently. My message box exploded with messages from people with two posts and no feedback. All of them wanted multiple pictures and were blowing up my message box with questions. It was a little bit overwhelming. I didn't really need to sell the firearm so I withdrew it from the marketplace.

[rodralig]

When somebody commits to purchasing and they flake or try to negotiate it onsite it gets old fast, I see nothing wrong with this. My suggestion of non-refundable deposit is probably easier, and less words, plus better for seller because you win either way.

Definitely a good idea...! Easier, less words, comes off as non-abrasive, etc.



What were the consignment fees in your last three transactions?

Considering that it is a seller's market, it should not be an issue to get a good return even if a 20% fee has been tacked on...



Absolutely...!

If we have buyers that their "word is their bond" as @FISHNFRANK would put it, there isn't any reason for this...

Just because it hasn't happened someone, it is never an absolute it will happen to another.

If I was buying and I saw a person who had their posting worded like that. With all those different threats for all kinds of reasons, I would definitely keep looking.

Somebody who would post something like that seems to me to have a lot of anger. I'd rather just deal with somebody low-key.

Quite surprising that you would say that because you were just in the other thread frustrated/annoyed of bad traders...

It be said, I am trying to get rid of a CZ to make room for another Glock...



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[Calif Hunter]

I have been flexible as a seller. Since I only have to make the trip once versus the buyer making the trip to the dealer twice, I have driven out of my way to meet the buyer for the DROS. Of course, that is if the buyer is paying my asking price, which is always reasonable or offers to pay a little gas money. I live in Apple Valley and have driven to Brea, Fullerton, etc. I probably would not drive to the San Fernando Valley or Ventura. I dislike Turners, but have done a sale there once that went well as the buyer knew the manager.

How do you handle getting the deposit before meeting the buyer?

[norcal77]

If I was buying and I saw a person who had their posting worded like that. With all those different threats for all kinds of reasons, I would definitely keep looking.

Somebody who would post something like that seems to me to have a lot of anger. I'd rather just deal with somebody low-key.

All the Calgunners I have dealt with have been pretty chill. But that was because I was pretty careful about who I do business with.

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30% does not seem fair, if you were selling a Wilson vs Hi-Point. It's the same labor to go and dros it back to you. Only saying that, because no ideal what you are selling.

Dumping more of your Glocks sounds like a good idea .

[Garv]

When somebody commits to purchasing and they flake or try to negotiate it onsite it gets old fast, I see nothing wrong with this. My suggestion of non-refundable deposit is probably easier, and less words, plus better for seller because you win either way.

My second purchase (I was at zero iTrader at the time) was done this way.
The seller acted hesitant and I offered a no-refund deposit for 20% of the price to show I was committed.

Worked out just fine.

[Kickstand]

[rodralig]

How do you handle getting the deposit before meeting the buyer?

PayPal or Venmo...

My second purchase (I was at zero iTrader at the time) was done this way.
The seller acted hesitant and I offered a no-refund deposit for 20% of the price to show I was committed.

Yeah, the no-refund of 20% should be reserved only for those with 0 iTrader rating or low post count...

30% does not seem fair, if you were selling a Wilson vs Hi-Point. It's the same labor to go and dros it back to you. Only saying that, because no ideal what you are selling.

Dumping more of your Glocks sounds like a good idea .

As mentioned, I guess 20% should be reasonable...

Hahaha!!! No, it's not a Glock... I actually need to free up space so I can get more Glocks.
With the risk of getting flamed by the other group of fanboys - I am thinking of parting with a CZ and a 1911....

But then I don't intend to gouge the potential buyer like some selling Gen 3s for $1K!?!

That said, I wouldn’t buy from an ad that had all these conditions. It’s a seller’s market and you won’t miss me for sure, but aren’t you weeding out exactly the low maintenance people you want to sell to with such a high maintenance ad? The whole FFL discussion is unnecessary if you say “mutually agreed upon FFL that releases on undetermined, and you pay DROS”. If you don’t like the FFL don’t agree to it, and ensuring it’s an FFL that releases on undetermined minimizes the chances of both of you becoming a victim of DOJ stupidity.

But all of that is normal behavior for people who do what they agree to. If you are unfortunately dealing with someone who doesn’t, then no amount of front loading rules is going to improve the situation, imo.

Your post got me thinking more, and would absolutely agree that this kind of ads may weed out the low maintenance people and that no matter the number of caveats, a bad trader will still lead to a bad situation.

That said, in light of the current COVID19 situation, I will at least keep the requirement that I set the FFL, I shouldn't worry much about a "no show," etc. since those FFLs are within a 30-min drive one-way.

Of course, I will still need to preface my ad with "... because of the recent frequency of unreliable buyers, etc. some additional points..."




Thanks for the insights CGners, and let me rewrite my WTS post!


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[eaglemike]

I can understand why some people want to get out in front of the situation. Many of the people are just time wasting/tire kicking. Some are determined to be a Karen. A seller often has to put up with a lot to finally communicate with a reasonable buyer. Some just don't have the funds for what they want to buy, but seem to think hey can wear down the seller. That makes selling less than pleasant.


I had a guy that wanted my stainless XSE Commander I was selling a few years ago. He tried all kinds of stuff, none of it reasonable, none of it matched what I said I would do. I was taking chemotherapy at the time. I kept telling him "no" as politely as I could. When I told him I was selling it to another guy, at my price and conditions - he wanted me to tell the other guy "never mind" and he'd drive down and give me an extra $100. Of course that didn't work for a couple of reasons.


I hope you are all well and safe - and let's hope the roster goes away. That would change a LOT of things.

[4Defense]

OP,

Your gun, your ad, your choice . You set the conditions the way you like it. This is not Walmart where you have to bow down to anybody. If they don't like it, kick rocks. If it hurts their feelings, boo phucking hooooo!

As long as everything comply with state and federal laws, post away .

[JazzyJames]

Even though I would meet all of your requirements, I would not purchase from you if I saw your paragraph of rules.

[Cup of Cheese]

Flakes don't read stuff like this, and if they do they certainly don't think it applies to them