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  • #31
    Featureless
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Mar 2018
    • 2267

    Originally posted by EuroDriver
    I don't live in an apartment - not sure how you conjured that conclusion but I don't think the walls in my house or my neighbors' can be much thicker or sturdier than apartment walls. Another room can be my wife or my child, a guest or unlikely but possibly a next door neighbor. In a HD situation, I doubt an intruder will let me call dibbs on confronting at the front door. Would be nice, but highly unlikely. I'm fine with my 9mm and .45 at home, I just won't use FMJ. Thanks for the .22lr suggestion though - very penetrating but not very effective at stopping power. I just use it for range practice.



    I've heard but don't have first-hand knowledge of any case in specific. But I definitely don't want to be the guinea pig in my neighborhood.
    Ok you do what you think is best. My neighbor is far away from me enough for your problem to be mine.
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    • #32
      Epaphroditus
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2013
      • 4888

      All ammo is tested for reliable feeding. I stagger fmj and jhp.

      When you gotta punch through a leather jacket, etc, fmj generally works better the jhp.
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      • #33
        EuroDriver
        Member
        • May 2020
        • 110

        Originally posted by Maulerrr
        I use JHP rounds to try minimizing over penetration. I think the odds of accidental overpenetration and hitting someone in my home or neighboring home is extremely slim. But I'd be heartbroken if I shot my loved one or my dog or something on accident.
        ^^^ This

        Originally posted by Featureless
        Ok you do what you think is best. My neighbor is far away from me enough for your problem to be mine.
        Agreed. I'm a city dweller. Different strokes for different folks.
        "A word to the wise isn't necessary -- it's the fools that need the advice."

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        • #34
          Fat Old Guy
          Member
          • Mar 2020
          • 292

          I had never heard of having the 1st round being FMJ and the rest JHP. My current practice is to shoot 1 Mag of JHP to every 10 mags of FMJ. There is no rhyme or reason to why I do it that way, I just do.
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          • #35
            BigPimping
            CGN Contributor
            • Feb 2010
            • 21443

            Just get yourself a simple pump shotgun loaded with bird shot for the first two rounds and then 00 buckshot for the last two rounds. You will never regret it.
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            • #36
              tenex
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2019
              • 36

              Allegedly, mixed ammo mags can get you labeled as a bad guy in eyes of law enforcement.

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              • #37
                L84CABO
                Calguns Addict
                • Mar 2009
                • 8684

                How do the police load their weapons?
                "Kestryll I wanna lick your doughnut."

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                • #38
                  Thoughts
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 523

                  Originally posted by Bushwack44
                  ...a "know-it-all" mentioned failure for a pistol to cycle the first round is greatly minimized if the first round is conventional and the remaining rounds are JHP.
                  This makes no sense. I think you should ignore whatever this person has to say. Test your gun with a number of HD rounds, which should be HP, and choose one that works well. They all probably will be good enough for any modern pistol design, but guns can vary a bit.

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                  • #39
                    Duck Killer
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 2252

                    Jhp over penetrate walls to...

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                    • #40
                      Kokopelli
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 3389

                      Originally posted by BigPimping
                      Just get yourself a simple pump shotgun loaded with bird shot for the first two rounds and then 00 buckshot for the last two rounds. You will never regret it.
                      Birdshot is for:
                      A. Bird size game
                      B. Buck sized game
                      C. T-Rex size creatures

                      Kidding aside, use what cops use for self defense. Buck shot.
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                      • #41
                        Duck Killer
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 2252

                        Originally posted by Kokopelli
                        Birdshot is for:
                        A. Bird size game
                        B. Buck sized game
                        C. T-Rex size creatures

                        Kidding aside, use what cops use for self defense. Buck shot.

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                        • #42
                          Snagglepuss
                          Member
                          • Dec 2013
                          • 407

                          First round: snake shot
                          Second round:Wad cutter
                          Third: blank
                          Fourth:mystery hand-load
                          Fifth:fmj....

                          This is the standard internet recommendation, come on.

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                          • #43
                            The War Wagon
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                            • Apr 2011
                            • 10294

                            Originally posted by EuroDriver
                            I would never, ever keep FMJ rounds in a HD weapon. If you ever found yourself in need of firing it, you don't want the consciousness of guilt - or the legal implications of maiming/killing someone in another room with the charge of knowing or that you should have known the over-penetrating propensities of a FMJ round.

                            Maybe it's because I haven't lived in an apartment in 21 years - or maybe it's just Calguns - but I can't say as I have EVER... worried about the legal ramifications, of drywall.
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                            • #44
                              -hanko
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                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 14174

                              Had to put on the muck boots, crap is getting deep here...

                              ...
                              Originally posted by Duck Killer
                              Jhp over penetrate walls to...
                              No one here seems to be able to remember any incident where over penetration of a wall or door was an issue. That puts it in the class of internet legend, aka bullchit.


                              That's assuming you're shooting birds.

                              See above, same category.


                              Originally posted by The War Wagon
                              Maybe it's because I haven't lived in an apartment in 21 years - or maybe it's just Calguns - but I can't say as I have EVER... worried about the legal ramifications, of drywall.
                              There haven't been any, but we're all waiting for just one.
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                              • #45
                                Duck Killer
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 2252

                                Originally posted by -hanko
                                ...
                                No one here seems to be able to remember any incident where over penetration of a wall or door was an issue. That puts it in the class of internet legend, aka bullchit.



                                That's assuming you're shooting birds.

                                See above, same category.



                                There haven't been any, but we're all waiting for just one.

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