The 1.2 second draw

[MarikinaMan]

[scout II]

Nice draw. Nothing like throwing away a perfectly good AR rifle.

[mjv]

1.2 from owb, open carry is very doable. Day or 2 of practicing and trying to make you movement efficient will get you there. The real trick is making your presentation consistent since your chasing time.

[sigstroker]

He had his hand on his gun as he rounded the corner, no doubt. It's basically not possible to make a draw like that in .8 seconds from hands off with a security duty holster, which you figure is what the cop had.

Good IPSC shooters can do it from surrender position in way under a second, like .8 or less, from a race holster. I worked on it once for about half an hour, and never got under 1.2 with a hit on steel. I got a couple in the .9's but just pulling the trigger and missing.

[billped]

Wow.

[SoCal326]

I wonder what the guys plan was. His AR was unloaded, he never pointed it at the cop and threw it at him instead after being shot.

Maybe too drunk or high to drive and not thinking straight. Brings out the AR to give it to the officer.

None of it makes sense but he didn't look like he was trying to shoot the officer.

But dang, that cops good.

[ChuckDizzle]

Didn't Glock recently release a compact slide on full frame pistol? I'm not a pistol competitor by any means, so I'm curious if a shorter slide reduces the time needed to clear the holster. Seems like it wouldn't be noticable for a noob like me, but with the pro's counting tenths of a second it might be an advantage.

[harbormaster]

clocked at .208

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Munden

Kudos' to the officer and his training; in a threat I think 1.2 is seriously good.

[golfish]

Wow!!!

[IVC]

Several things here, just as the video points out.

The most important aspect of this draw is that there is an element of surprise and the officer is analyzing the situation and reacting to his analysis, not reacting to a shot timer.

The next is that it's a duty holster, with likely at least level 2 or level 3 retention. This means that in addition to the friction (click), the holster has one or two extra levers that have to be pressed/manipulated during a draw.

On the plus side, the officer is not starting with the "hands below belt" or "hands relaxed at sides." He is likely having his hand on the gun already and his thumb is likely against the release lever. Also, it's his duty gear and he practices with it, so defeating the holster safety is a natural part of the draw, much like disengaging safety on 2011 is in competition - it doesn't slow you down.

Overall, that's extremely good reaction since he had to make a decision in addition to drawing.

[baranski]

Didn't Glock recently release a compact slide on full frame pistol? I'm not a pistol competitor by any means, so I'm curious if a shorter slide reduces the time needed to clear the holster. Seems like it wouldn't be noticable for a noob like me, but with the pro's counting tenths of a second it might be an advantage.

G45, 19 slide on a full size grip.



I can't get below 1.4 second on a draw from concealment and fire on an "A" zone hit. Frankly I don't practice OWB since I don't carry that way.

[bubbapug1]

I’m about 1.8 to up to 4 seconds.

I have a dive partner who clocked at 0.8 on the timer consistently from iwb, surrender, with a t shirt he had to lift. He’s a freak. He had never practiced before we had a race which of course I lost. Target was 6” steel at 10 yards.

[IVC]

As for competition, the biggest time-waster is slow movement. Anyone can move hands fast and it doesn't require skill. It's just hard to get the feel for how fast everything has to move.

Once you move your hands fast, you will have gun in front of your face in significantly under a second. The hard part in drawing fast consistently is not so much to have that gun in front of your face under a second, but to have the correct grip, to have the sights aligned and to read the sights as the gun gets into firing position. That's what you have to work hard for. (It's also why people can pull the gun and fire quickly if hitting the target is not a concern.)

[IVC]

I can't get below 1.4 second on a draw from concealment and fire on an "A" zone hit. Frankly I don't practice OWB since I don't carry that way.

If you carry appendix and your start position is with hands in "defensive position" (just in front of your belly), it's an advantage for fast draw.

As you move your gun more to the side, particularly if you go past 3 o'clock, your draw time will begin to suffer.

[SnWnMe]

He lost situational awareness. He ended up in the middle of the road.