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  • #76
    ilbob
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 1777

    Originally posted by wcnones
    It forces small businesses to sell at excrutiatingly small margins, and pretty much negates any ability to profit from their ventures.
    ...
    Last summer my ex-wife and I agreed that I would build and sell performance PCs on Ebay.
    ...
    But who cares, right? All that matters is your 18th lower because your 22 rifle gun safe has an empty slot and THAT IS SO G-DAMNED IMPORTANT. SCREW THE MAN, HIS MARRIAGE, HIS FINANCES, HIS LIFE. HE RUNS A SMALL BUSINESS - HE RICHER THAN HELL, RIGHT! GET YOUR TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS AND BURN THE BASTARDS HOUSE TO THE GROUND.

    I hate the human race sometimes.
    As for Freakshow. Unless I am completely mistaken, the biggest part of his financial problem comes from group buys he initiated. I don't know what his motive was, or how much business experience he has, but large deals with little margin for a small business is a recipe for disaster if the thing goes south. He took a risk and he lost. He will hopefully learn from his mistake.

    As for you, people buy computers on eBay to save money. If you didn't want to sell into that low end of the market, or did not understand the ramifications of it, you should stay out of that market. There is a reason why eBay sellers often start out selling stuff at a loss to build up their ratings. Its a good place to get some bargains for a savvy buyer. Its apparrent you did not do a good job upfront of understanding the market you were trying to sell into. Thats what killed your eBay business. Not a tiff over a $9 item.

    Businesses fail all the time. Something like 90% of them within a few years.
    bob

    Disclaimers: I am not a lawyer, cop, soldier, gunsmith, politician, plumber, electrician, or a professional practitioner of many of the other things I comment on in this forum.

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    • #77
      daves100
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2007
      • 943

      gun turn around

      Not trying to get a dig in but why does it take a few months to turn around a gun if all you have to do is add a mag lock?

      Would it help if we sent 2 M.O one for the fee and another one for the shipping.

      would like not to have to wait for a months to get a gun in. Seems like the transfers would be an area you could make the most money for your time.

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      • #78
        -hanko
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Jul 2002
        • 14174

        Originally posted by wcnones
        This is why I'll never start a small retail business. Most people do it because they love what they are selling and think that their customers will be great, wonderful people.

        Buyers are liars. Plain and simple. A customer will not accept any sort of explanation to any problem. End of story.
        ...Buyers will accept an explanation, but if a buyer cannot get an explanation in a reasonable amount of time, they will obviously go into the pissed mode.

        If a seller has time to cash your check or charge your cc, he needs to send you your stuff.

        Lack of cash flow and/or the ability to manage cash flow is the seller's issue, not the buyer's. My payment to you is for the stuff you promised, not to buy you training pants so you can learn to run your business. If your marriage, life, or finances are interfereing with your business, you need to gtf out of business.

        hth

        -hanko
        True wealth is time. Time to enjoy life.

        Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy schit...what a ride"!!

        Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain

        A man's soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog. Charles Doran

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        • #79
          COBRA MASTER
          Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 382

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          buyers....customers are always right . business 101

          Originally posted by -hanko
          ...Buyers will accept an explanation, but if a buyer cannot get an explanation in a reasonable amount of time, they will obviously go into the pissed mode.

          If a seller has time to cash your check or charge your cc, he needs to send you your stuff.

          Lack of cash flow and/or the ability to manage cash flow is the seller's issue, not the buyer's. My payment to you is for the stuff you promised, not to buy you training pants so you can learn to run your business. If your marriage, life, or finances are interfereing with your business, you need to gtf out of business.

          hth

          -hanko

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          • #80
            freakshow10mm
            Veteran Member
            • Jun 2008
            • 3061

            Getting the mag locks has been one huge hindrance. I've been waiting for my supplier to send my locks to me for over two months. I've since realized I can't rely on suppliers to meet my deadlines.

            I will now be making locks for the AK style guns and will have 200 made within a week or two. That issue is being addressed swiftly.

            My supplier for the AR locks is very timely and I usually just send a quick email asking for more locks and send a check within the week to settle up with them. I wish I could buy a lot of them at one time to be ready, but can only afford 5-10 at a time.

            In my business I do several other things as well as the transfers. I cast bullets, make ARs, load ammunition, develop sound suppressors, provide LE demonstrations, and hold reloading classes. During the month of April I completely restructured my business.

            I don't cast bullets anymore, my suppressors have been put on hold, reloading classes have been passed on to another local company. I hired a handloader that loads most of the ammunition. I've hired a shipping clerk to help with packing and shipping orders and transfers.

            Freakshow Mfg will do three things: ammunition, middle man transfers, suppressors. When I get back to normal, my company will be producing billet AR receivers.

            Currently we do ammunition and middle man transfers only.
            Last edited by freakshow10mm; 05-10-2009, 10:26 AM.

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            • #81
              eaglemike
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Jan 2008
              • 3936

              Originally posted by COBRA MASTER
              buyers....customers are always right . business 101
              Ummm, nope. A lot of people want to believe this but it's not so. In this day many people have taken this waaaaay to far. Both sides need to do their part. I've had my own shop for 19 years now, and I have a pretty good reputation in my arena, maybe the best as far as support. I work pretty hard at it. Given all that - there are some people that waste air. I used to build a few race guns. Want to hear about the guys that fired squibs and then another round without clearing it, bulged the barrel, and then came back to me about "the gun isn't accurate?" Lots of stories like that. Get into any custom business for about 20 years - then tell me the customer is always right. Even if all one is doing is stocking stuff and then reselling you still run into the impossible person.Want to know about the people that call 5:30 in morning or 10:30 at night?

              The internet has created an atmosphere of "instant gratification." Not always a good thing.

              I've been watching this situation with interest, since I went through a bunch the first few years after I started up. It's truly a labor of love with a lot of agony for the first 5 or so years. I wish Adam all the best, and wish I could help.

              Mike
              Last edited by eaglemike; 05-10-2009, 11:18 AM. Reason: typo
              There are some people that it's just not worth engaging.

              It's a muzzle BRAKE, not a muzzle break. Or is your muzzle tired?

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              • #82
                freonr22
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Dec 2008
                • 12945

                by the way i see you offer gift cards.... nice maybe some people from this thread will buy them
                sigpic
                Originally posted by dantodd
                We will win. We are right. We will never stop fighting.
                Originally posted by bwiese
                They don't believe it's possible, but then Alison didn't believe there'd be 350K - 400K OLLs in CA either.
                Originally posted by louisianagirl
                Our fate is ours alone to decide as long as we remain armed heavily enough to dictate it.

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                • #83
                  freakshow10mm
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 3061

                  Actually I don't offer them. The Gift Voucher FAQ thing in the info box will not come down. It's a glitch in the software.

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                  • #84
                    wcnones
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 915

                    Originally posted by ilbob
                    As for Freakshow. Unless I am completely mistaken, blah blah blah blah
                    Oh shut up. It must be nice to be perfect and know the outcome of everything up front.

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                    • #85
                      wcnones
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 915

                      Originally posted by COBRA MASTER
                      buyers....customers are always right . business 101
                      I don't know who started this rumor, but it is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and anyone who caters to it goes out of business.

                      Then again, your name is "COBRA MASTER", which sounds like a 14 year old's name, and I don't expect a 14 year old to understand much beyond Nintendo.

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                      • #86
                        leelaw
                        Junior Member
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 10445

                        Originally posted by wcnones
                        I don't know who started this rumor, but it is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and anyone who caters to it goes out of business.

                        Then again, your name is "COBRA MASTER", which sounds like a 14 year old's name, and I don't expect a 14 year old to understand much beyond Nintendo.
                        If I were you, wcnones, I'd learn to control myself, and I'd learn it very quickly.

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                        • #87
                          ilbob
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 1777

                          Originally posted by leelaw
                          If I were you, wcnones, I'd learn to control myself, and I'd learn it very quickly.
                          He has a lot to be bitter over. It will pass with time, or it will eat him up.
                          bob

                          Disclaimers: I am not a lawyer, cop, soldier, gunsmith, politician, plumber, electrician, or a professional practitioner of many of the other things I comment on in this forum.

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                          • #88
                            leelaw
                            Junior Member
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 10445

                            Originally posted by ilbob
                            He has a lot to be bitter over. It will pass with time, or it will eat him up.
                            Do you really think that antagonizing this will be of benefit to your account?

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                            • #89
                              thefifthspeed
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 2674

                              I think those who would like to help out Freakshow should buy some of his new reloaded ammunition. I think at this point Adam has gotten a lot of good advice and is starting to get on the right track but the biggest thing is he needs to start freeing up more capital to help his business run like it should. If I had some extra money lying around I would buy up a couple hundred rounds from him.

                              Also as bumpy as things have gone over the last 3-4 months people will be back to buy from Freakshow again

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                              • #90
                                AJAX22
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • May 2006
                                • 14980

                                The bottom line is that Adam is good people.

                                He's made mistakes, but I believe him to be sincere in his desire to set things right. And I think he has figured out how to go about doing just that. His communication has improved dramatically (which is KEY) and it sounds like he has figured out how to make the other elements fall into place.

                                He got into the business in an under capitalized fashion... but I'm still thankful that he did what he did when he did it.

                                at the end of the day there are a LOT of really evil nasty politically incorrect toys here in CA because of him which wouldn't be otherwise.

                                He's got his work cut out for him in the short term, but the nice thing about having made a bunch of mistakes is that you don't have to make them twice.

                                I would not be surprised if, after all this gets shaken out, Adam winds up as the most reliable and quickest transfer dealer available to us.

                                what types of ammo are you loading Adam?
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