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[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

Right, cause you all in here run small businesses and know what it's like.

Adam got stabbed in the back and you guys are kicking him when he's down.

I feel bad for the guy, he's trying to run a little one man side business of moving guns around and modding them as necessary. When you're little and you get slapped with a transaction that goes sideways, it hurts big time. Then everybody on the forum jumps all over you as if you're stealing their stuff. That right there is why I'm not interested in doing business over a forum. One hiccup and everybody calls you a criminal. "I'm glad I didn't do business with that crook!" type of stuff is really unfair I think and an unfortunate side effect of doing business over a forum and everybody dogpiles all over when something gets messy.

And then next is if the price you're quoting for something isn't *the lowest price on the whole internet* people call you a crook and a gouger. Some of these companies if they operated at a loss some of you would still ***** about the price. You think that just because somebody got $100 out of a transaction with you that they're ripping you off and lighting their cigars with that $100 lit? That $100 has to go to the tools and equipment and parts and electricity and telephones and bathroom that made that transaction possible, and then at the end of the day the guy might have a dollar out of that $100 to feed his family on.

I have yet to do business with Adam, but I have no hesitation to do so.

[Matt C]

Right, cause you all in here run small businesses and know what it's like.

Adam got stabbed in the back and you guys are kicking him when he's down.

I feel bad for the guy, he's trying to run a little one man side business of moving guns around and modding them as necessary. When you're little and you get slapped with a transaction that goes sideways, it hurts big time. Then everybody on the forum jumps all over you as if you're stealing their stuff. That right there is why I'm not interested in doing business over a forum. One hiccup and everybody calls you a criminal. "I'm glad I didn't do business with that crook!" type of stuff is really unfair I think and an unfortunate side effect of doing business over a forum and everybody dogpiles all over when something gets messy.

And then next is if the price you're quoting for something isn't *the lowest price on the whole internet* people call you a crook and a gouger. Some of these companies if they operated at a loss some of you would still ***** about the price. You think that just because somebody got $100 out of a transaction with you that they're ripping you off and lighting their cigars with that $100 lit? That $100 has to go to the tools and equipment and parts and electricity and telephones and bathroom that made that transaction possible, and then at the end of the day the guy might have a dollar out of that $100 to feed his family on.

I have yet to do business with Adam, but I have no hesitation to do so.

That's total BS and a misrepresentation of what is happening. There are people who paid for a service (basically just re-mailing of a gun) who also pre-paid for shipping to be done by Adam and Adam is either ignoring them or apparently claiming he can't ship because the money has somehow vanished and he is broke. How can you excuse such conduct? I'm sure there are other cases with more color where he may or may not have actually been waiting for something from a supplier, but he has no credibility left at this point.

I have run a small business (as a side business as a matter of fact) and I have run large businesses, and I have never taken someone's money and not delivered as promised. That's called theft in my book. If for some reason I chose I supplier that broke it's contract with me after I sold something I did not have, I would offer to return money given for that thing or let the person wait to see if I could get it from another supplier or get that supplier to deliver, even if I ended up taking a loss. I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT go off and spend that person's money before I delivered the item to them knowing that I had no cash in reserve if I problem arose. I have given refunds on items which came back damaged even though I stated clearly no refunds on shipped items and that they were as is, because reputation it more important than making a dollar on a single sale. I have completed projects for what I originally quoted even after I realized that costs would be higher than my quote because I screwed up, and I don't regret that either. Anyone who has ever done business with me is satisfied, and that means more to me than the added profits I might have made by screwing people. There are right ways and many more wrong ways to run a business, Adam has clearly chosen a wrong way.

I think it would be very foolish to send money or product to him at this point, and a lack of hesitation on your part to do so considering the mountain of complaints (and apparently even death threats) due to his questionable business practices indicates a real lack of judgment on your part more than anything else.

[Rob Roy]

I think it's more about communication. If there is a problem, communicate that to your customers, rather than letting them do the guesswork about the fate of their money. Ignoring people's inquiries just fuels negative response.

[Sam]

That's total BS and a misrepresentation of what is happening. There are people who paid for a service (basically just re-mailing of a gun) who also pre-paid for shipping to be done by Adam and Adam is either ignoring them or apparently claiming he can't ship because the money has somehow vanished and he is broke. How can you excuse such conduct? I'm sure there are other cases with more color where he may or may not have actually been waiting for something from a supplier, but he has no credibility left at this point.

I have run a small business and I have run large businesses, and I have never taken someone's money and not delivered as promised. That's called theft in my book. If for some reason I chose I supplier that broke it's contract with me after I sold something I did not have, I would offer to return money given for that thing or let the person wait to see if I could get it from another supplier or get that supplier to deliver, even if I ended up taking a loss. I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT go off and spend that person's money before I delivered the item to them knowing that I had no cash in reserve if I problem arose. There are right ways and many more wrong ways to run a business, Adam has clearly chosen a wrong way.

I think it would be very foolish to send money or product to him at this point.

I've also run a small business. I took some hits here and there and have really been at the breaking point myself. I couldn't deliver on time and yet I still managed to keep my customers from not hating me by communicating what was happening. I did end up delivering the product and making them happy in the end. From the couple of posts I've read, it seems to me that communication between the business and customer is breaking down at some point.

[Matt C]

I think it's more about communication. If there is a problem, communicate that to your customers, rather than letting them do the guesswork about the fate of their money. Ignoring people's inquiries just fuels negative response.

I've also run a small business. I took some hits here and there and have really been at the breaking point myself. I couldn't deliver on time and yet I still managed to keep my customers from not hating me by communicating what was happening. I did end up delivering the product and making them happy in the end. From the couple of posts I've read, it seems to me that communication between the business and customer is breaking down at some point.

That does seem to be what's pushing people over the edge, but if he really took the money and put it towards something else, or is robbing Peter to pay Paul and Peter isn't sending any more dough, communication might be .... difficult.

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

That's total BS and a misrepresentation of what is happening. There are people who paid for a service (basically just re-mailing of a gun) who also pre-paid for shipping to be done by Adam and Adam is either ignoring them or apparently claiming he can't ship because the money has somehow vanished and he is broke. How can you excuse such conduct?

Unless somebody legitimately thinks that the items in question aren't going to show up, the only problem his customers have is the time line it's happening on, it's slower than they expected.

I had done business with a company recently, and after waiting a couple weeks I called up to see how things were going. Well they were in full Obama frenzied ordering backlog, and people were calling up on the phone screaming at them because things weren't happening on the timeline they had expected, and didn't understand that there are people in line in front of them and indeed behind them too. Being backed up: a nice problem to have except for the impatient customers. I let it slide for a little while, and kept meaning to call them back up to, again, politely check on the status, but I kept forgetting to call before they'd close up for the day. Finally I did, and the person on the phone was polite and professional, and listening between the lines I could tell that they recognized that the time line I found myself on wasn't ideal. They got right on the ball and later that morning I had an email in my inbox showing that it had shipped. Never for a minute did I have any reason to suspect that this outfit was shady or "stealing" either my money or my merchandise, and in the end they made good on the transaction.

I have no reason to suspect Adam won't make good on the deals he's made. I've personally dealt with situations where UPS and AT&T weren't happy with the timeliness of payments. Those two companies are happy to shut you down in a second. And when they do, you are dead in the water. AT&T especially. With those guys, if you're like 2 weeks late on your payment, you get ONE nasty letter in the mail, and after 3 weeks they shut you off. I can't imagine retaining customers with a policy like that, but that's how they operate. Especially when I've had a check in the mail literally take over 2 weeks to go from one side of CA to the other. With those guys, they figure it's not their problem. Not actually able to pay for a little while? Forget it, they don't want to hear anything out of you except your credit card number.

[Jicko]

Unless somebody legitimately thinks that the items in question aren't going to show up, the only problem his customers have is the time line it's happening on, it's slower than they expected.

STFU: before you try to defend freakshow.... please go back to this thread and see how many MORE customers' had added into the complaint and how many guns had been held hostage by Adam!!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=180414

Tell people of back order, and that they have to wait is one thing...... ignoring emails, communications (he can just ignore people for multiple days in a row.... while he is still coming online and post here on CG....), and telling customers one thing (your gun will be shipped out tomorrow) while sitting on it for couple more weeks is just plain LYING!

[Futurecollector]

BWO, what exacltley are you missing from Freakshow?

I hear alot of guys in this thread bashing Freakshow, but none of them are saying what they are missing, or if they even are missing anything? Ive had to deal with Adam, and I personally have only had good experiences with the guy, he was honest, posotive and very prompt. I would still do business with him after everything is resolved with the back order issues,

[Futurecollector]

STFU: before you try to defend freakshow.... please go back to this thread and see how many MORE customers' had added into the complaint and how many guns had been held hostage by Adam!!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=180414

Tell people of back order, and that they have to wait is one thing...... ignoring emails, communications (he can just ignore people for multiple days in a row.... while he is still coming online and post here on CG....), and telling customers one thing (your gun will be shipped out tomorrow) while sitting on it for couple more weeks is just plain LYING!

He wasnt just "sitting on it" he just dosent have the funds to ship it out, he is trying to get his stuff together and still take care of him, how many of you guys ordered AR-15 uppers that where said to ship in a week and have still not shipped yet, its been 6 months and I dont see anyone here trying to string up those companies,
I ordered 3k rounds of X39 from sportsmans guide in OCTOBER! and it still hasnt shipped it keeps getting pushed back by a month every month! am I calling SPG and giving them death threats? NO,
a wise man once said,
"banning Happens"

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

how many guns had been held hostage by Adam

I get it, he's got a bunch of guns that aren't shipped out. In one of these threads I think he mentioned UPS suspended his account. If something's ready to ship and UPS has stopped your account, the driver is not picking anything up from you one way or another.

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

He wasnt just "sitting on it" he just dosent have the funds to ship it out, he is trying to get his stuff together and still take care of him, how many of you guys ordered AR-15 uppers that where said to ship in a week and have still not shipped yet, its been 6 months and I dont see anyone here trying to string up those companies,
I ordered 3k rounds of X39 from sportsmans guide in OCTOBER! and it still hasnt shipped it keeps getting pushed back by a month every month! am I calling SPG and giving them death threats? NO,
a wise man once said,
"S H I T Happens"

That transaction I had mentioned a couple posts up? I waited 4 months for my stuff and in the end I got it. I wasn't out for blood, but clearly some other people indeed were after waiting a much shorter time than I.

[Futurecollector]

I get it, he's got a bunch of guns that aren't shipped out. In one of these threads I think he mentioned UPS suspended his account. If something's ready to ship and UPS has stopped your account, the driver is not picking anything up from you one way or another.

He stated that UPS, and his phone company shut him down, and im sure he didnt just go run and tell us the moment he found that out, so yeah he may have your rifle sitting there ready to ship it out, but how is he going to ship it if UPS isnt coming to his shop? have dumbo just pop in for a minute and pick it up for him? the guy is trying but you ALL, have just been kicking the guy while he is down, im surprised that CG'ers of all people are doing the kicking.

[Futurecollector]

That transaction I had mentioned a couple posts up? I waited 4 months for my stuff and in the end I got it. I wasn't out for blood, but clearly some other people indeed were after waiting a much shorter time than I.

haha, to many of you guys here really want stuff in "2 weeks"
so STFU had to wait 4 months, Im still waiting, a budy of mine is now in for 6 months from stag on a upper. how about getting some primers? or what about lowers?

[paul0660]

He named his business FREAKSHOW, fer chrissakes. I think he was pretty up front about his business model.

[Matt C]

He stated that UPS, and his phone company shut him down, and im sure he didnt just go run and tell us the moment he found that out, so yeah he may have your rifle sitting there ready to ship it out, but how is he going to ship it if UPS isnt coming to his shop? have dumbo just pop in for a minute and pick it up for him?

Hmm, I don't know, maybe he could just drop it off at UPS and pay up front? But then I guess if all the money people paid him for shipping has somehow "vanished" that might be difficult.

And no I don't have anything with him, and I never said I did, nor do I think that disqualifies me from commenting somehow. I have however recommended him to friends and kitchen table FFLs who asked who would do transfers, and now I feel like an *** for doing so.

Having to wait 4 months because demand exceeded supply is one thing, waiting 4 months because someone spent the money you gave them to ship something you payed $1000+ for on something else other than shipping is quite another entirely. Maybe that's ok with you, but I don see how you are suggesting everyone else should just be happy with it.