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  • #61
    DB>
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2017
    • 832

    Originally posted by reloading
    As I try different handguns out to decide which should be my first, what are some of the things I should look for? What's likely to vary the most from gun to gun? Anything I should watch out for or avoid?
    You're on the right track when you say "first", as you'll likely end up with a few. Budget is always a consideration, don't be afraid of "inexpensive" if you're on a budget, but do a lot more research before you shell out your $$$.

    Every gun has its quirks and features, I learned basic gun smithing so I could iron out any "issues", and also found some guns are just better from the get go.

    As previously mentioned, racking, trigger mechanism, etc. can be checked to see if they are comfortable even without live firing. Some guns are just harder to manipulate than others, and while this may not affect you, it can be an issue for some. Learn the differences between SA/DA and various approaches to safeties. Look up reviews or YouTube videos on guns you're considering. Don't count on counter people at the gun store, I've had to show them how a gun works more than a few times when it's one they aren't familiar with!

    The fit of the grip in YOUR hand needs to be at least reasonably comfortable - a single stack subcompact is significantly different than a full size double stack for instance. There are aftermarket solutions to add to an existing grip as well.

    Being in CA, you have to "stick to the roster" if you're buying NEW... it's going to be an older "out of date" design, and a pretty limited selection... not necessarily bad, but your choices ARE significantly limited - not going to get any "hot" and popular firearms like they have in them free states!. The Marketplace here is your friend, as you can find used and off roster stuff (sometimes at a premium, sometimes not).

    If you have to "buy something", a Phoenix HP22A is dirt cheap and a lot of fun (as long as you stick to standard velocity ammo, per factory recommendation). There's a "22" for ya, and it's got lots of safeties, and a few easy modifications to make it a lot more user friendly! I bought one when looking at "real guns" just because it was cheap, a couple more have ended up in the collection... stupid cheap and fun to shoot.

    My 9mm's are a couple old Ruger "P series" (P95DC specifically), bought used (and cheap, no "off roster premium"!) in the marketplace - kinda heavy, built literally like a tank, and shot one ragged hole first time at the range, as opposed to the SD9VE that I couldn't group with for beans.

    That gets down to the other key point - IMO SHOT PLACEMENT trumps caliber - a gun that you can't shoot accurately is not going to "defend" anything terribly well. There are certainly things you can to do to train to shoot accurately, but my experience (see above) has been that I just shoot some guns much better than others. Maybe it's me, maybe it's the gun, but I've gotten rid of the ones I don't feel like I shoot well and kept the "ragged hole" ones. Makes it a lot more enjoyable at the range knowing where the rounds are going!

    If you're considering concealed carry, that's a whole other discussion, but the Sig P238 is a sweet shooter that most everyone seems to love once they shoot it, and it's on roster. With a Hogue grip it's not much more recoil than a .22, if you find yourself recoil adverse, and with the right ammo, should be adequate for defensive uses (again, shot placement counts).

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    • #62
      Tere_Hanges
      Calguns Addict
      • Mar 2013
      • 6268

      Originally posted by tuna quesadilla
      I think you are reading WAY too deeply into my posts and clearly getting very triggered. Literally I just asked whether you had a competitive shooting background, and you went on a rant about “pissing contests” and trying to drag OP into competition shooting. And now I’m apparently five years old. All because... wait for it... I recommended based on my real-life experience that OP start with a .22.
      Yup, thats it. You win. "Discussion" over. Lets move on now.

      Sorry your thread got derailed, OP.

      OP, dont worry about the naysayers. 9mm is not a hard gun to learn how to shoot well. You dont need to train on a 1911 or .357 magnum before you try a 9mm. You are on the right track. Have fun in your class.
      Last edited by Tere_Hanges; 12-16-2019, 10:03 PM.
      CRPA and NRA member.

      Note that those who have repeatedly expressed enough vile and incoherent content as to render your views irrelevant, have been placed on my ignore list. Thank you for helping me improve my experience and direct my attention towards those who are worthy of it. God bless your toxic little souls.

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      • #63
        tuna quesadilla
        Calguns Addict
        • Apr 2006
        • 5147

        Originally posted by TMB 1
        I think the DA does. I was able to adapt to my SD9VE and Kahr P45 triggers that are different from each other pretty easy, but I learned to shoot with the DA/SA triggers on S&W model 19 revolver and S&W model 59 semi auto when I was a kid.
        I think I agree with you. My main platforms right now are Glock and Beretta, and believe it or not I actually have an easier time with Glock triggers after doing a lot of DA drills with the beretta. I never understood why.

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        • #64
          smittty
          Calguns Addict
          • Feb 2008
          • 6254

          Way too much info in this thread so I'll cut thru all of it and say this,

          Glock 19
          or
          CZ 75 PCR

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          • #65
            anonymouscuban
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2017
            • 1440

            Lots if good info in this thread and the typical bickering so I will just add this...

            If you're willing to drive up to Northridge, I would be happy to meet you at Firing Line and let you shoot my CZs. SP-01, PCR and P-01. And because I have a membership, range fee is $10 and rentals (for me ;-) are free. So basically just pay the 10 bucks and for ammo YOU shoot.. $18 for 50 rounds. You can shoot my CZ's and you can try a couple of rentals. They have a Glock 34 and quite a few other 9mm.

            Offers on the table. PM if you want.

            PS - I don't have a basement.

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            Last edited by anonymouscuban; 12-16-2019, 10:32 PM.

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            • #66
              tawadc95
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2017
              • 565

              Thanks for helping our hobby and good luck to you, handguns are a lot of fun.

              I'd say buy according to purpose if you already have an intended use.

              Find a good class on safety and safe handling skills, well worth the time.

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              • #67
                Wordupmybrotha
                From anotha motha
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2013
                • 6965

                I wouldn't get hung up on what feels good in your hand at the store. What feels good when you're holding it could feel terrible when you actually shoot it (e.g. small guns). Conversely, what feels bulky in your hand at the store could feel nice when you shoot it (e.g. Glock).

                That's because a bulky grip gives room for your support hand to provide stability whereas a small grip has no room for your support hand so your shooting hand is doing more work.

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                • #68
                  JCHavasu
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2016
                  • 672

                  It is at least good to see there are quite a few people giving solid advice. Then there are the ones pushing their "pet" platforms. To the OP, there is some very good advice here on trying multiple different firearms, and certainly not trying to do it all in one day. If you have someone that helps you out, try and read between the lines as to WHY they suggest a certain firearm as people almost inevitably do.
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                  • #69
                    CheapBloke
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2019
                    • 3115

                    Hi Point pistol.
                    If you like the plasticy feel and ugliness, upgrade to Glock.
                    If you want all metal feel and history, coolness, etc. Get 1911.

                    Personal exp: had a hi point, shot my cousin's glock, didn't feel much different from hi point, still had cheap feeling. Held a 1911 and bought it quick.

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                    Last edited by CheapBloke; 12-16-2019, 11:13 PM.

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                    • #70
                      Bakerloo
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 1696

                      A 1911 in 9mm. One and done!
                      ...while the buffoon in the White House prances around celebrating butt sex.

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                      • #71
                        TFA777
                        Member
                        • Dec 2014
                        • 327

                        Originally posted by Bakerloo
                        A 1911 in 9mm. One and done!
                        That's a lie... 1911s are never just 'one'...

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                        • #72
                          Rogerbutthead
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 3838

                          Safety first - keep the pistol pointed down range at all times.

                          One new shooter woman we took shooting, leaned forward to view her target better, not realizing that the still loaded pistol was being held by her directly under her chin - pointed straight up into her head. Scared the hell out of us.

                          Wear shooting glasses and clothing that will not allow ejected hot brass to get into your shirt, etc. Have seen a number of people freakout when hot brass was burning their skin. They were all behind the firing line - without a weapon in hand. One of the first times I went shooting - my first Browning Hi Power, a reloaded 9mm case landed on my upper lip and burned a half crescent there - never heard of that happening to anyone else.

                          When you grasp a semi-auto pistol, make sure that the back of your hand is not higher than where the slide will go back after you pull the trigger. A new shooter I took cut himself slightly with the first shot - which surprised me as I never considered that would occur. If you watch the newest DIE HARD with Bruce Willis, the first he shoots at people, the pistol's slide cuts his hand after the first couple of shots - that is BS as it would have cut after the first shot, but surprisingly, you can cut yourself that way - not as bad as in the movie, but still drawing some blood.

                          As to type of pistol, that is up to you. Like selecting a car, its mainly personal preference.

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                          • #73
                            A-J
                            Veteran Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 2582

                            Originally posted by reloading
                            I'm going to take an Intro to Handguns course this weekend, and then stick around to try a few different handguns owned by the range. I already used the OAG Firearms Safety Certificate study guide to pass that test and get my cert.

                            Absolute beginner here - I've never even held a loaded gun before, aside from firing an antique flintlock one time as a kid.

                            As I try different handguns out to decide which should be my first, what are some of the things I should look for? What's likely to vary the most from gun to gun? Anything I should watch out for or avoid?

                            I understand that 9mm ammo can be among the cheapest, and has minimal kickback. This should make it practical to practice for a long time, so I'm leaning in the direction of a 9mm gun. I also understand that a longer barrel, as with something like a Glock 34, makes it easier to aim. What else should I consider?
                            Try out as many guns as you can. You have to feel good shooting it or it's not the right gun for you. Don't buy into the hype and buy a gun that's not a good shooter **for you** because of positive reviews or a certain price point (low OR high).
                            It was not a threat. It was an exaggerated response to an uncompromising stance. I was taught never to make a threat unless you are prepared to carry it out and I am not a fan of carrying anything. Even watching other people carrying things makes me uncomfortable. Mainly because of the possibility they may ask me to help.

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                            • #74
                              Milsurp1
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2016
                              • 3091

                              Gold chrome desert eagles.

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                              • #75
                                tuna quesadilla
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 5147

                                Originally posted by A-J
                                Try out as many guns as you can. You have to feel good shooting it or it's not the right gun for you. Don't buy into the hype and buy a gun that's not a good shooter **for you** because of positive reviews or a certain price point (low OR high).

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