"as new"

[redcliff]

"As new" is NOT "new" and never has been in my over 40 years of buying firearms and dealing with multiple FFL's. It means it's been previously sold (therefore "used") but is indistinguishable from a new firearm. A similar term is "Like new in box".

In regard to the forcing cone it could be someone used a Lewis Lead Remover to clean it well; nothing wrong with that imho. Another option could be the original firearm had excessive barrel/cylinder gap, was sent back for warranty and the barrel was set back and re-machined or a new barrel was installed.

Personally I side with the FFL and feel it was properly disclosed as used by the term "as new".

[boattail]

"As new" is NOT "new" and never has been in my over 40 years of buying firearms and dealing with multiple FFL's. It means it's been previously sold (therefore "used") but is indistinguishable from a new firearm. A similar term is "Like new in box".

In regard to the forcing cone it could be someone used a Lewis Lead Remover to clean it well; nothing wrong with that imho. Another option could be the original firearm had excessive barrel/cylinder gap, was sent back for warranty and the barrel was set back and re-machined or a new barrel was installed.

Personally I side with the FFL and feel it was properly disclosed as used by the term "as new".

Would you feel a gun with marring on the cylinder and frame and one that has been fired an unknown amount is still "indistinguishable from a new gun?" If the answer is no it should have been advertised as "used", correct?.

We'll take the forcing cone issue off the table as I cannot get a good enough picture to prove my point there.

[redcliff]

Would you feel a gun with marring on the cylinder and frame and one that has been fired an unknown amount is still "indistinguishable from a new gun?" If the answer is no it should have been advertised as "used", correct?.

They did advertise it as "used" by using the term "as new". Its a common term although more often I see "Like new".

Perhaps you can enlighten us on what the marring is on the cylinder and frame as this is a new wrinkle you have thrown into the discussion? I have purchased many NEW revolvers that have powder fouling on the end of the cylinder from factory test firing, is that what you consider marring? It can be removed but it takes either a lot of solvent and scrubbing or something like a Lead Free cloth which you need to be careful with on blued guns and which the factory won't bother to do after test firing.

As far as unknown round count it may be 6 or 600, none of us know, including you apparently. As long as it locks up properly mechanically, looks like new and the bore is undamaged what difference does it make? It does not seem you have any evidence to suggest is has been shot extensively or abused, or least no evidence which you have shared. The most reliable indicator of being shot significantly is a turn line on the cylinder from the bolt rubbing the cylinder during rotation. Does yours exhibit a deep turn line? It typically would be noticeable when you did your pre-purchase inspection. The photo you provided doesn't give us much info. Perhaps a side view with good lighting and focus would be beneficial to the discussion.

Finally, what make/model # is your revolver and how was the price versus a New variant? Since it was manufactured, apparently, in the last 7.5 year it is likely a shooter not a collectible regardless. Why not just go shoot it, enjoy it and get it dirty.

[boattail]

Sorry the purpose of my post is about the use of the term as new. I have a much bigger story about the gun but am trying to keep it to just one point. I have to explain the condition a bit to validate my point. Either as new means previously sold and in the same condition as new or it has been fired outside the factory and was sold retail so it’s used. There is no in between in my view. If as new is the same as used why use both terms to sell a gun?

[omega]

"as new" means it was never used, except test firing by the factory.

[Pistol Caliber Carbines]

I made the mistake of not reading every line on the DROS when asked to verify it was all correct. It listed the gun as "used."

Due diligence is the job of the buyer.
You failed there....and went so far as to say you did.
And you inspected the firearm.
No red flags there that told you "gun is used" ??

Caveat emptor and all that.

Because the seller will tell you whatever you want to hear/or make stuff up to sell whatever they are selling.

[boattail]

[boattail]

[SDDAVE56]

Isn't every gun used at the factory to test fire ?? So to me its used.

[Spyder]

I don't care what something is advertised as.

If someone wants to sell me a pristine like new early Sig P210 for 500 bucks and advertise it as "rusty old piece of junk with 100,000 rounds through it", I'm not going to argue with them about the description. I'm going to look at the pistol closely and decide if I want to pay their asking price or not, and then either purchase it, or not. Or maybe make a different offer.

[IVth Horseman]