Lytle Creek: In financial trouble?

[bigstick61]

Forest Ranger banned 50 BMG rifles but would allow 50DTC.
Same exact bullet is fired down range.
that was 10-12 years ago.
He was a piece of work back then and probably hasn't gotten any better.
the reason he gave was that the 50bmg could travel over the mountain behind the 300 yard ranges at the far left it could travel over the mountain and hit cars on hwy 138 but a 50DTC couldn't .
yet 50 BMG is ok to shoot at West End which is a hell of a lot closer to the 15 freeway.
At this point we all gave up.
lots better places to shoot in the desert.

Yeah, pretty much. I haven't patronized a range in CA other than attending events taking place at them in 8 years or so. Too much nonsense to deal with at them and I have more freedom in the desert. I think as far as ranges within an hour of me go, only one has shooting past 300 and allows the public to use that range. At my spot in the desert, several hundred yards can be done safely, at least.

That said, for a time, Lytle Creek was my favorite. I shoot mostly milsurp and a ton of it has bimetal jackets. GTG there. Back then they did not bother anyone about AWs or hi-cap mags. And they had a longer range than Burro did and had much smaller crowds (like I recall Burro did before SGVGC was shut down). I'm already not liking much how ranges a run out here. I wouldn't want to deal with that nonsense, nor deal with LEO inspections if that's actually a thing (never saw it myself, but it's been a long time).

[bigstick61]

Read closely and slowly. Federal LEOs are more than welcome to inspect my standard capacity magazines. They're all legal. Even the ones I purchased inside of the state of California in the year 2019.

Without using the words "Federal", "LEO", or "Lease", can you articulate why Lytle Creek has a policy forbidding my lawful use of those magazines? Because I have a pretty good guess that includes the words "They", "Are", "A", "Bunch", "Of", "Fudd", "Anti-Gun", and "Dicks".

The responses also raise the question why Federal LEOs would be enforcing State gun laws. Personally, I think it's a cop-out to justify stupid policies.

[riderr]

BLM rangers still may enforce the state and local law with the sheriff's written authorization. Probably, it's a part of the collaboration with the county force?

https://www.blm.gov/programs/public-safety-and-fire/law-enforcement/laws-and-regulations

The Bureau of Land Management's law enforcement program draws its authority from federal law under federal jurisdiction. BLM law enforcement officers enforce federal laws and do not have authority to enforce state laws without written authorization from a sheriff, other authorized state official or state law.

[I Swan]

How many people here have actually had LE inspect their magazines on BLM land?

[bigstick61]

BLM rangers still may enforce the state and local law with the sheriff's written authorization. Probably, it's a part of the collaboration with the county force?

https://www.blm.gov/programs/public-...nd-regulations

What about forest rangers?

[tuna quesadilla]

How many people here have actually had LE inspect their magazines on BLM land?

Hasn't happened to me yet and I've been shooting on BLM land for just a wee bit of time now.

[Mark49]

Been their a few times and it was OK. Found the west end gun club down at the base of Lytle Creek road.
1. Rail system for holding provided targets 25-50-100 yards.
2. Steel core ammo no problem
3. staff friendly
4. nice benches
5. Limited membership 90 bucks then 5 dollars to shoot each time out.
6. can sign in 2 friends for 10 bucks each.
I have no reason to ever shoot anyplace else.Going on 8 years

I'm taking some friends out soon, could you post the web sites for both... I have all 10+ mags and i'm not going to do business with the wrong one, or in this case be asked to leave.

Thanks

[CamW]

West End Gun Club is NOT open to the public. You must be a member or the guest of a member to shoot there. You cannot just show up at the range and pay to shoot.
The only exception to this rule is if you are shooting one of the competitions held on weekends.

[OCEquestrian]

In the interests of disclosure.. here are the Range Rules for Lytle Creek. If you see something you dont like.. DONT GO. I personally dont understand the magazine restrictions...Burro Canyon, also a Federal lessee does not have them. Everything else looks pretty standard.

Range Rules & Policies

OUR FUNDAMENTAL OBJECTIVE IS FIREARMS SAFETY
It will be our pleasure to assist you if you don’t understand any of this information, please ask one of the well qualified range staff members.
PLEASE SET A GOOD EXAMPLE AND HELP US ATTAIN THIS OBJECTIVE

All adults on Lytle Creek Firing Line must complete both sides of the Waiver/Range Rule Form and pay associated fees before going to the firing line. Minors must be named on parent/guardian’s registration.
Possession and/or use of alcohol or drugs, or being under their influence on this facility is prohibited. You will be asked to leave the premises immediately with no refund.
Approved eye and ear protection is mandatory for everyone on the range.
Range speed limit is 5 MPH. Please keep music at a low-level so the range officer’s calls can be heard easily.
Please back into parking space at the firing line.
Do not go down range until instructed by the range officer. Obey all directions of range officers and staff.
No handling of firearms, ammunition, or magazines during a “CEASE-FIRE”.
At “CEASE-FIRE”, place firearms on bench with the action open, muzzle down range, and magazine removed, empty chamber flag/chamber indicator in the chamber.
“CEASE-FIRE” is the command used on the range to stop all shooting/firing. When you hear this, stop shooting IMMEDIATELY and await further instruction.
Empty Chamber Flag/Chamber Indicator is a small piece of brightly colored plastic that is included with all new firearms. It is designed to fit into the chamber of a firearm and stick out the ejection port to help confirm the firearm is in fact unloaded during “cease-fire”. If you don’t have one, don’t worry. We have plenty and with a little bit of care they last forever.
When transferring firearms to and from the vehicle to the shooting bench, please have the action open, magazines removed, and muzzle pointed up.
An ADULT SHOOTER must supervise all minors, under the age of 18, while they are shooting.
An ADULT SHOOTER must directly (ONE ON ONE) supervise minors, under the age of 12. Minors must be able to handle, load, and fire the firearm independently.
All firearms must be California compliant. This facility is subject to random and periodic inspection by law enforcement.
Appropriate documentation must accompany “Pre-Ban” modern sporting rifles.
Facility policy limits center-fire rifle magazines to 10 rounds maximum capacity.
Pistol magazines are limited to 10 rounds or factory original capacities.
Class III permit holders must contact the range master in order to operate regulated firearms.
This is a “cold range”. No loaded firearms are allowed on the range, except on the firing line.
Load firearms and magazines only at the shooting benches.
The action of all firearms must be open with an inserted chamber flag at all times, except when actually being fired from the line.
HOLSTERED SIDE-ARMS are not allowed at Lytle Creek Firing Line, without expressed permission from the management.
NO HAND-TO-HAND TRANSFER OF FIREARMS. To transfer a firearm to another shooter, open the action and place it on the bench with the muzzle pointed down range. The other shooter can then begin to use the firearm.
Use of armor piercing and tracer ammunition, flairs, explosives and incendiary devices is prohibited.
Use of steel core ammo is subject to restricted use. This is dependent on fire conditions and weather.
ALL ROUNDS MUST hit the impact areas!
Food, beverages, and smoking are not allowed on the firing line. Please use the cigarette butt cans if you smoke.
Any targets other than standard paper/cardboard targets must be approved by the range master or a range officer before use. No heavy metal targets may be placed as rifle targets within 100 yards, this includes pistols firing rifle cartridges. Glass, paint, aerosol cans, and/or household items are not to be used as targets. ALL target material is to be removed when you leave.
Shooting and proximity to shooting may be hazardous to pregnant women. Their participation is at their own risk and is discouraged.
Please help us keep the range safe and clean by placing all brass, steel, and aluminum cases and trash in proper containers, so we can all enjoy it for many years to come! Have fun and enjoy your shooting.
All firearms should be transported according to the law.
Lytle Creek Firing Line reserves the right to prohibit the use of any firearms or ammunition considered to be unsafe by the range staff or the range master.
Any individual considered to be demonstrating a belligerent or unsafe actions or attitude will be asked to leave the premises.
Violation of these policies may subject you to suspension from the premises or action by law enforcement.
REMEMBER SAFETY IS EVERYBODY’S RESPONSIBILITY, LETS WORK TOGETHER

[ja308]

I would change there rule about smokers using butt cans. The rule should read field strip each butt you smoke!

No reason to not be tactical !

[tuna quesadilla]

In the interests of disclosure.. here are the Range Rules for Lytle Creek. If you see something you dont like.. DONT GO. I personally dont understand the magazine restrictions...Burro Canyon, also a Federal lessee does not have them. Everything else looks pretty standard.

Range Rules & Policies

So, I had an interesting experience with this part. Last time I was up there, they asked me at the check-in trailer if I had chamber flags. I said "yeah", thinking they were asking about the concept of chamber flags in general (read: an empty piece of brass stuck mouth-out into the ejection port) rather than the actual little piece of plastic.

So I bring one of my rifles up to the line and stick a chamber flag into it, and the RSO makes a beeline over to me and says YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOU NEED AN ACTUAL CHAMBER FLAG. I asked him if he meant the little plastic ones; he said yes, to which I responded that I don't have any. He then started going WELL YOU CAN'T BE ON THE LINE WITHOUT A CHAMBER FLAG, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO CHECK THIS WHEN YOU CAME IN, YOU CAN'T BE HERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CHAMBER FLAG and then he started babbling something into his radio. He was legitimately going to throw me out of the range for using a chamber flag instead of a chamber flag. Then, another guy leaned over and handed me a spare chamber flag to use, and the situation was defused. So no, those "rules" are a bold faced lie-- it says "If you don't have one, don't worry", when it should say "If you don't have one, we will SCREAM at you until a good samaritan steps in and gives you one."

[riderr]

They also don't let you touch ammo and/or load magazines while the range is cold. It is a big waste of time. They are overly cautious in my view. If they relax their rules a little bit, they can get more people coming over.

[Preston-CLB]

Many times these more restrictive rules are put in place because one, or more people did stupid stuff that was patently unsafe, or illegal.

The private club I belong to was subject to a complaint because certain improvements were not grandfathered in (the club has been in existence since 1947). It came down to a vote by the board of supervisors, who voted in favor of keeping the club open. My point is that places to shoot can be shut down for almost any reason, and the only thing we can do is fight. We did, and we won one for our team.

In my opinion, we need to do whatever we can to keep ranges open by going to them to shoot, even if some of their rules go against our grain.
-p

[ocabj]

So, I had an interesting experience with this part. Last time I was up there, they asked me at the check-in trailer if I had chamber flags. I said "yeah", thinking they were asking about the concept of chamber flags in general (read: an empty piece of brass stuck mouth-out into the ejection port) rather than the actual little piece of plastic.

So I bring one of my rifles up to the line and stick a chamber flag into it, and the RSO makes a beeline over to me and says YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOU NEED AN ACTUAL CHAMBER FLAG. I asked him if he meant the little plastic ones; he said yes, to which I responded that I don't have any. He then started going WELL YOU CAN'T BE ON THE LINE WITHOUT A CHAMBER FLAG, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO CHECK THIS WHEN YOU CAME IN, YOU CAN'T BE HERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CHAMBER FLAG and then he started babbling something into his radio. He was legitimately going to throw me out of the range for using a chamber flag instead of a chamber flag. Then, another guy leaned over and handed me a spare chamber flag to use, and the situation was defused. So no, those "rules" are a bold faced lie-- it says "If you don't have one, don't worry", when it should say "If you don't have one, we will SCREAM at you until a good samaritan steps in and gives you one."

In all seriousness, had I been there I would have argued with the RO that chamber flags are invalid safety devices and that ranges need to enforce the use of empty chamber indicators.

[Rakso]

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