LGS not doing ammo transfers

[Comedian]

Is it required for LGS to do private ammo transfer? Because all 3 LGS on peninsula refuse to do it. So basically the law says to sell ammo to someone here I need to go to a LGS who all refuse...

Edit: Peninsula Guns & Tactical, City Arms, and Coyote Point Armory all say they don’t do private ammo transfers because “the law is not clearly spelled out”

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=30352.&lawCode=PEN

Looks pretty clear.. sounds like they don’t want to be hassled so they can sell their own ammo at higher prices.
All 3 just lost my business

[baranski]

Is there an IDR near you?

Likely they will do it.

[Comedian]

I guess San Jose or San Leandro.. I doubt coyote point will and the hours are so limited. South city was the best but that was closed down sadly..

[Jericho261]

PPT transfer of ammo through a FFL dealer, LMAO !!

[SkyHawk]

Is it required for LGS to do private ammo transfer? Because all 3 LGS on peninsula refuse to do it. So basically the law says to sell ammo to someone here I need to go to a LGS who all refuse...

PPT transfer of ammo through a FFL dealer, LMAO !!

Some laws are ripe for a protest and civil disobedience is one option.

Illegal immigrants disobey our nation’s immigration laws every day when they cross the border into CA, and our state welcomes them with open arms. Go figure

PS - you should let CRPA and Michel Lawyers know about this - they can incorporate it into the lawsuits against the state. A person should not have to drive 100 - 200 miles to sell $15 worth of 22LR ammo.

[warbird]

In a private party to private party transfer who knows about the transfer but the two private consenting partners unless the parties bring in an FFL to charge money to do nothing really. who knows how much ammunition you have, what you shot, what you lost, an what you threw away or sold? we are becoming like the Japanese who expect to be caught so they are. Nobody in their right mind is going to confess to buying ammo without going through an FFL and if you don't squeal on each other who knows what you did? You heard the old saying about what goes on behind closed doors stays there. the down side is that if the buyer or seller is a DOJ agent then you might get your hand slapped. Know who you are selling to or buying from. use common sense. because it is a law does not make it right and civil disobedience is sometimes a good thing.

[Quiet]

Is it required for LGS to do private ammo transfer?

Nope.

Even though there is a legal requirement to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer to facilitate the private party transfer of ammunition [PC 30312(a)(2)], there is no legal requirement for a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer to conduct the private party transfer of ammunition.

Which means, unlike the private party transfer of firearms, it is CA legal for a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer to refuse to facilitate the private party transfer of ammunition.

[Comedian]

It’s funny because in one subsection you can “give” ammo to a range buddy or friend so long as it’s not for MONEY, and so long as you REASONABLY BELIEVE they are not prohibited.
What the...
So I can give my ammo to anyone anywhere I just can’t sell it to them anywhere.. only in this state smh

[big red]

time to illegally knock the middle man out of the equation? sounds like a problem between FFL's/vendors and DOJ. Who admits to money exchanging hands?

[tigerpan]

If they can’t do it, that’s means you don’t need ffl to do the transfer.

[Jess B. Guy]

Martin Luther King, Jr.'s comment in his famous letter from Birmingham Jail: "One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."

[Quiet]

It’s funny because in one subsection you can “give” ammo to a range buddy or friend so long as it’s not for MONEY, and so long as you REASONABLY BELIEVE they are not prohibited.
What the...
So I can give my ammo to anyone anywhere I just can’t sell it to them anywhere.. only in this state smh

Nothing you stated is factually correct.

Only exemptions to the requirement to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer to facilitate the transfer of ownership of ammunition are: [PC 30312(c)]
01. Transfer by Gov/Mil/LE employee with written authorization from their Gov/Mil/LE agency to obtain the ammunition for use by the Gov/Mil/LE agency. [PC 30312(c)(1)]
02. Transfer to a LEO. [PC 30312(c)(2)]
03. Transfer to a Type 05, 06, 07, 08, 10, & 11 FFL. [PC 30312(c)(3)]
04. Transfer to a CA FFL dealer. [PC 30312(c)(4)]
05. Transfer to a non-resident Type 03-FFL. [PC 30312(c)(5)]
06. Transfer to a CA resident Type 03-FFL with a valid COE. [PC 30312(c)(6)]
07. Transfer to a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor. [PC 30312(c)(7)]
08. Transfer to a "consultant-evaluator". [PC 30312(c)(8)]
09. Transfer to a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member. [PC 30312(c)(9)]
10. Transfer to a LE academy recruit/student or LE academy staff. [PC 30312(c)(10)]




Penal Code 30312
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:
(1) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is for exclusive use by that government agency and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee is obtained, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.
(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.
(3) An importer or manufacturer of ammunition or firearms who is licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450) of Chapter 6 of Division 6 of this title.
(5) A person whose licensed premises are outside this state and who is licensed as a dealer or collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.
(7) An ammunition vendor.
(8) A consultant-evaluator.
(9) A person who purchases or receives ammunition at a target facility holding a business or other regulatory license, provided that the ammunition is at all times kept within the facility’s premises.
(10) A person who purchases or receives ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.
(11) A person enrolled in the basic training academy for peace officers or any other course certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, an instructor of the academy or course, or a staff member of the academy or entity providing the course, who is purchasing the ammunition for the purpose of participation or use in the course.

[Comedian]

Nothing you stated is factually correct.

Only exemptions to the requirement to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer to facilitate the transfer of ownership of ammunition are: [PC 30312(c)]
01. Transfer by Gov/Mil/LE employee with written authorization from their Gov/Mil/LE agency to obtain the ammunition for use by the Gov/Mil/LE agency. [PC 30312(c)(1)]
02. Transfer to a LEO. [PC 30312(c)(2)]
03. Transfer to a Type 05, 06, 07, 08, 10, & 11 FFL. [PC 30312(c)(3)]
04. Transfer to a CA FFL dealer. [PC 30312(c)(4)]
05. Transfer to a non-resident Type 03-FFL. [PC 30312(c)(5)]
06. Transfer to a CA resident Type 03-FFL with a valid COE. [PC 30312(c)(6)]
07. Transfer to a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor. [PC 30312(c)(7)]
08. Transfer to a "consultant-evaluator". [PC 30312(c)(8)]
09. Transfer to a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member. [PC 30312(c)(9)]
10. Transfer to a LE academy recruit/student or LE academy staff. [PC 30312(c)(10)]




Penal Code 30312

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/ammunition-regulation-in-california/

[SkyHawk]

It’s funny because in one subsection you can “give” ammo to a range buddy or friend so long as it’s not for MONEY, and so long as you REASONABLY BELIEVE they are not prohibited.
What the...
So I can give my ammo to anyone anywhere I just can’t sell it to them anywhere.. only in this state smh

time to illegally knock the middle man out of the equation? sounds like a problem between FFL's/vendors and DOJ. Who admits to money exchanging hands?

I only ask for ‘roses’ when I list my ammo

[Dan_Eastvale]

I mean why not take to Needles to do it and while there make the trip worthwhile and do a parking lot ppt gun transfer as in most other states. Aren't they a 2A sanctuary city? No?