ATF Seizing AA-12 Shotguns?

[brassburnz]

In the 70's I frequented a gun shop run by veterans. The gunsmith was a military trained armorer. I noticed the gunsmith hadn't been around for a while, so I asked where he was. When he got back, he said he had been on a "working vacation" in central America.

Apparently there were some "irregularities" in some work he had done for a "customer" that lead to "complications" with alphabet type governmental agencies. Apparently the gunsmith was in possession of "machine gun" parts. I'm not sure about the particulars.

If he agreed to take a vacation to a tropical wonderland in central America and repair some "farming implements" for the locals, all would be forgotten and he could return to San Diego. So that's what he did. These guys had some great stories, but this one really stuck with me. He said, "Never trust those 'bleep bleep alphabet' guys."

[M1NM]

Youtube videos on MG say it's open bolt. This is the same thing that killed the MAC10 & 11.

[painkiller]

I had no idea one in free America was able to buy these

[TKM]

In the 70's I frequented a gun shop run by veterans. The gunsmith was a military trained armorer. I noticed the gunsmith hadn't been around for a while, so I asked where he was. When he got back, he said he had been on a "working vacation" in central America.

Apparently there were some "irregularities" in some work he had done for a "customer" that lead to "complications" with alphabet type governmental agencies. Apparently the gunsmith was in possession of "machine gun" parts. I'm not sure about the particulars.

If he agreed to take a vacation to a tropical wonderland in central America and repair some "farming implements" for the locals, all would be forgotten and he could return to San Diego. So that's what he did. These guys had some great stories, but this one really stuck with me. He said, "Never trust those 'bleep bleep alphabet' guys."

The shop behind the Sports Arena?

[1919_4_ME]

Here's what led to ATF seizing all the shotguns.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/09/sol-invictus-arms-statement-regarding-aa-12-shotguns-and-the-atf-recall/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=ad784a6d55-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-ad784a6d55-21637451&fbclid=IwAR0sjdnenBLk9b_HOhdC_9ZyG9tGO0P3dtYimePoaGcWBqAe2ZBLC-DxW8o#axzz5yhlKWSAS

[GPMG Gunner]

Slightly off topic, but where is the boundary? I know people have receivers with the "shelf" milled out and that's not enough to trigger the MG status. Is it the "third hole" that makes it MG, or something else?

IVC,

I’ve read in the past that if a person of reasonable skill can convert the firearm in question to full auto in 8 hours, the ATF considers the line crossed.

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What level of skill is reasonable? An apprentice or a master machinist? What kind of tools do they have available?

More regulatory nonsense from an agency who feels it is their duty to keep gun owners constantly afraid. It would be funny if running afoul of these regulations didn’t have severe consequences.

IMO this is one more reason to pull authority from the regulatory state. There is way too much power there and it has corrupted otherwise useful agencies. The judicial branch bears all responsibility for this mess via their disastrous ruling under Chevron.

Enforce the laws as written!