ATF Seizing AA-12 Shotguns?

[The Gleam]

Apparently, it took them a while to figure that out.

[IVC]

If you take an M16 lower, but build it out using semi auto parts, it’s still a MG.

Slightly off topic, but where is the boundary? I know people have receivers with the "shelf" milled out and that's not enough to trigger the MG status. Is it the "third hole" that makes it MG, or something else?

[M1NM]

Also needs hole in side for pin. That 3rd hole is what gets you in trouble.

[elSquid]

Slightly off topic, but where is the boundary? I know people have receivers with the "shelf" milled out and that's not enough to trigger the MG status. Is it the "third hole" that makes it MG, or something else?

[redcliff]

Drop-in auto sears and Lightning links for the AR-15 have existed for approximately 40 years, so no need for anything new to be invented. I agree however that this AA-12 ruling is troubling and could be used as a base to leap frog from in some bureaucratic scheme to implement gun control via executive order.

[Dutch3]

Reminds me of when I got my letter about my threaded barrel Walther P22. I was excited I got a box in the mail, opened it. It was instructions to send back my gun or become a felon.

All P22s have threaded barrels. The California version has a 'thread protector' with no wrench flats that is secured with red Loctite. A little heat, and it comes right off.

[17+1]

None of these laws make any sense. The requirements are so stupid and erroneous.

[bubbapug1]

One could modify the side plate. I do a lot of reweld. The receivers are all machine guns. With a few minor mods you might save the gun. Of course getting it blessed by atf is another process.

[deckhandmike]

All P22s have threaded barrels. The California version has a 'thread protector' with no wrench flats that is secured with red Loctite. A little heat, and it comes right off.

[Blownmotor]

How will these gun stores and people in possession of them be reimbursed for accidentally having a "machine gun"?

[Quickdraw559]

Drop-in auto sears and Lightning links for the AR-15 have existed for approximately 40 years, so no need for anything new to be invented. I agree however that this AA-12 ruling is troubling and could be used as a base to leap frog from in some bureaucratic scheme to implement gun control via executive order.

Then how is it the AA-12 is now consider a mg? It seems like the exact same scenario for ar-15s. How was a reclassification not triggered with the invention of a drop in autosear? Functionally, and according to ATF, the ar-15 is now a mg if it can accept a drop in.

This is troubling.

[Quickdraw559]

Also needs hole in side for pin. That 3rd hole is what gets you in trouble.

Exactly. So why can’t we all own a dozen auto sears, so long as we don’t have the pinhole? According to atf, it’s not a firearm, and my firearm doesn’t have the capability to accept the part. There should be zero legal issues with US citizens owning autosears if they do not have the pinhole. They need to make up their mind as to what a gun is and isn’t.

[audiophil2]

the ar15 dias was originally just a part like the bumpstock. atc then determined it is a machine gun by itself. just like the bumpstock. neither are machine guns by the definition of a machine gun but no one has successfully overturned the incorrect classification.

once you drop a dias into an ar15 lower the entire gun falls under gca68 as a machine gun. you can install short barrels and other parts that wouod othereize classify it as an sbr or aow. those parts must be removed before the dias or else it becomes an unregistered nfa item.

the ar15 lower is not in danger.
there is another semi auto receiver that is very popular that has always been easily convertible to full auto. I'm not saying what it is.

[TKM]

Then how is it the AA-12 is now consider a mg? It seems like the exact same scenario for ar-15s. How was a reclassification not triggered with the invention of a drop in autosear? Functionally, and according to ATF, the ar-15 is now a mg if it can accept a drop in.

This is troubling.

The sideplate is the machine gun. Same as Browning 1919s. Of course, F Troop once declared a shoestring to be a machine gun.

If you don't know the law you go to jail. If they don't know the law you go to jail.

[Quickdraw559]

If you don't know the law you go to jail. If they don't know the law you go to jail.

Good point.