Livermore range

[BrassCase]

The "No movement of guns or equipment during cease fire" is for your protection. I don't watch your stuff that is behind the cease fire line during cease fire, I watch the benches to make sure no one approaches them while we have people down range. Since I'm not watching your "Stuff" that is behind the line, what would stop someone from grabbing your things, even a cased rifle, and walking off with them while you are walking out to the 100 yd line? Nothing! You'd ask me "where's my stuff", I don't know, what's your stuff?

So the inconvenience is minor, people can come and go, just not stuff. If you plan it right you take your equipment to your car before cease fire and then you can grab your target and go during cease fire.

[jtv3062]

I have left my Glock on top of the table at firing line at USI for 20/30 minutes before without fear of it not being there when I got from watching the action guys probably 15/20 years ago.

Ive been to Chabot, Sacramento valley, Davis st, Manteca, Yolo, USI, and Livermore before the closure have without problems.

The reopened (7 years ago) Livermore seems to have some major issues. So far from reading this new thread that Livermore has thieves, idiots, dont rub the rsos wrong or they will charge you to switch lanes limit you to 2 hours shooting and from personal experience issue you 1 table for your group.

[BigPimping]

I went there once. Hot, dusty, in the middle of nowhere. Never again. I'll stick with my secret, plush, secluded pimp range.

[tmorse]

I have been going to Livermore for more the 25 years. The rules have changed and I understand that for the most part. The facility has been improved and I enjoy going there. I have never had an issue and will continue. the RSO are good people and I appreciate the job they do.

... and the steel shoot they are working on is fun.

anyone remember RSO Alvin?

[elSquid]

I don't think you understood my statement/ question. I do not understand their logic behind walking in and out of the range. During a cease fire as long as you are behind the firing line and not handling firearms or touching the bench during a cease fire period I do not understand why I cant walk in and out with spotting scopes, LOCKED gun cases, toolboxes, whatever, and sit with them behind the firing line. During an active fire period (or whatever term you want to use) I do not understand why I can't walk in and out, set up my stuff at the bench they assigned and then wait with a target behind the firing line.

Still don't understand. If you can't walkin (in/out) during a ceasefire, and you can't walk (in/out) during live fire, then how are you supposed to enter and leave the range?

• You _can_ walk in/setup/prep target/shoot/packup/leave during live fire... I do it all the time.
  
• You can't walk in/setup/etc during cease fire.

During cease fire they don't want people tempted to go to their bench and futz around...which would be a constant occurrence if joe public could enter the range with his gear during a cease fire.

Back during my Chabot days, the RO would be yelling at people fairly frequently during cease fires...there's always one or two new shooters who are running on (unsafe) autopilot. You'd think it would be easy - stay behind the red line while folks are downrange - but empirical evidence showed otherwise.

Anywho, it is what it is. It's not a big deal for me either way; frankly the big PITA at Livermore is that I can't shoot rifles standing. ( Sigh )

Livermore isn't perfect, but it's a decent range and pretty much all of the staff is friendly. I like it.

: shrug :

-- Michael

[nitroxdiver]

anyone remember RSO Alvin?

[AAShooter]

I have been going to Livermore for more the 25 years. The rules have changed and I understand that for the most part. The facility has been improved and I enjoy going there. I have never had an issue and will continue. the RSO are good people and I appreciate the job they do.

... and the steel shoot they are working on is fun.

anyone remember RSO Alvin?

Sure, great guy.

[AAShooter]

. . . I'll go to Livermore ONLY if I need to zero a new scope on a rifle and don't have the time to go to Linden. Otherwise, I refuse to shoot at Livermore anymore. Just not worth the dealing w/the "attitude" of certain RSOs who are a real PITA, their "unique" rules and the general aggravation and discomfort that I feel when ever I shoot there.

This is an important point. Although most of the RSOs there are working hard to do a good job and operate a safe range, they kind of create a tough range to use, especially for new folks.

They have some unique rules that are not in the norm. That sets up a training situation where you have to train all your customers. If you aren't familiar with ranges to start with, it is even harder. Part of how they try to do that is through signage; however, people are inundated with signs up there are so they are not effective. Range staff gets frustrated because nobody knows or follows the rules. They get frustrated because no one reads the signs.

Interesting enough, there is no sign that lists the full set of rules for the range. They used to have two of those signs but they did not agree so they were removed. Additionally, you no longer get a printed copy of the rules when you check in. This is a great resource for new customers and the range staff to facilitate training. Then added on top of that is frequently changing rules that are not communicated out until they are broken creates further frustration.


Finally, the range commands are too wordy to start with so people tend not to fully listen to them. Then when you get a chatty RSO that adlibs a bunch of additional information, they are not helping their cause.

I suspect a few more field trips to well operated ranges would help them become a little more main stream.

Again, I think the range staff is largely working hard to do the right thing and have a genuine concern for safety. The range has a lot of potential.

[AAShooter]

Lol, you need to remember he was the sole person running the range. He checked people in, was the cashier and walked the line for the entire range.

[nitroxdiver]

Lol, you need to remember he was the sole person running the range. He checked people in, was the cashier and walked the line for the entire range.

[dozer wright]

Quit going a couple years back and I live 5 mins away if I hit both lights. . Mike has always been a excellent R.S.O . Some of the more over zealous. R.s.o. and Constant changing rules .
And it all started with one R.s.o. using a Flash light do do a Colonoscopy on every Firearm . He was just doing the montions checked even flagged chambers .
Then the had to be 18 years old to get your own bench.
Only 2 guns on the bench at the same time . (allegedly so as a shooter you dont mix ammo ).
And a couple bad experiences decided .to just go to B.l.m land or private property.

[Jimi Jah]

And at Livermore if you shoot pistol standing then want to shoot rifle you gotta pay again. USI better not do that. It was great at USI paying and being able to shoot both sides.

What about handicapped shooters? Do they make a guy without legs stand up in his wheelchair to shoot a pistol?

[drkphibr]

Then why the "F" don't they remove the language that says they'll charge you for switching sides.

Keeping your "options open" as the RSO said above is NOT a good reason to keep saying your going to charge the fee if in fact you NEVER charge for it.

Just drop the "F"ing thing from the website.

My guess would be because it leaves the POSSIBILITY of them charging you up to their discretion. Me thinks if the range is empty, they won't care (or charge you) if you move over to the other shooting side. But, if the range is busy (lanes full and possible waiting list) why should they miss a revenue opportunity so you can double dip? Get over it.

[Psychbiker]

^^ Get over it? You work there or something? That’s awfully rude of you to say. It’s not considered double dipping at Richmond to shoot pistol and rifle and wasn’t at Chabot or Usi. Those in the gun community don’t like to feel taken advantage of by opportunists, maybe you do.

[XDJYo]

Saturday 7/27 at Livermore 2:10 pm. Range is empty. No waiting. Easy.