Last order (For me)

[SkyHawk]

I just spoke with Target Sports. The customer service lady told me that CAL DOJ contacted them and informed them that they are no longer able to ship to 03ffl’s. They are trying to fight that right now. She asked me to send any links to the specific section of the penal code that exempts us from the law to sales@targetsportsusa.com

I have sent the link.

I would love to know how this contact they supposedly received from DOJ was made - i.e. in writing or just over the phone. If it was not in writing on DOJ letterhead or did not come via email from an actual DOJ email server, and in either case did not come from a higher up employee, I would be suspicious this is just a DOJ (or even Brady Bunch) FUD campaign.

[Usmc0844spare]

Freaking Ca.

I expect some of the vendors will come back once all the dust settles after the first.

I picked up an ammo order (from Target Sports no less) yesterday at LGS and THEY have no clue wtf happens on the first. They said there are a couple forthcoming meetings with DOJ (sorta sounded like a web conference type of deal for anyone who wanted to join) and they hoped they MIGHT have some clarity then. So if a local CA FFL is in the dark, I fully understand why an out of state vendor might momentarily put orders from California in the "too hard" bucket for awhile.

[boopiejones]

Targetsports email this morning included a link to prop 63. I haven’t read the entire link, but they highlighted a section that I assume is what they’ve used to make their decision.


Link below is to the entire text:

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/fbb8da3e4258216189fb98d27/files/4f063697-54da-4201-a42c-4571f0713a91/Prop63_FullText.pdf?utm_source=Target+Sports+USA&utm_campaign=ef1bcbf193-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_01_11_08_52_COPY_54&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4f4aeab969-ef1bcbf193-2801309&mc_cid=ef1bcbf193&mc_eid=7e78499ad8

[psun786]

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/fbb8da...eid=7e78499ad8

there is another thread a few years back discussing continuance of C&R/COE exemptions after 2019 https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1399514

The problem (as I see it) is that the original text of AB 1609 (that created Section 27585) contained a specific exemption for collectors that complied with Section 27699. The bill was amended to have that exemption struck from the text and it does not exist in the current law. Section 27699 makes no mention of importation of firearms whereas Section 27585 is all about that. Further, Section 27699 does not explicitly exempt collectors from Section 27585.

Ignoring the very real possibility of malicious intent, my study of the record of AB 1609 leads me to conclude that it was the intention of the bill (based on the stated intent of the Legislature) NOT to interfere with the activity of licensed collectors but it seems that someone mucked it up

[Usmc0844spare]

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/fbb8da...eid=7e78499ad8

Having a hard time understanding what exception 3 means. Are they saying that I can go buy ammo at the range w/o any of these background check hoops (provided you don't take any of it home), or that a range can buy ammo for use by its patrons (who have to still do some background check thing).

If the former, good luck trying to prove that leftover Federal 9mm ammo I am leaving with is what I bought today, rather than what I originally brought with me from home.

[psun786]

Having a hard time understanding what exception 3 means. Are they saying that I can go buy ammo at the range w/o any of these background check hoops (provided you don't take any of it home), or that a range can buy ammo for use by its patrons (who have to still do some background check thing).



If the former, good luck trying to prove that leftover Federal 9mm ammo I am leaving with is what I bought today, rather than what I originally brought with me from home.

[Usmc0844spare]

Pretty sure the state government would be A-OK with that.

[SkyHawk]

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/fbb8da...eid=7e78499ad8

Which does not apply to them because they are not and can seemingly never be an ammunition vendor as defined.

[Tere_Hanges]

Target Sports is just being dumb. They'll start selling again in a few months when they see their competitors making the money they could be. Just a silly misunderstanding on their part. In the meantime, I guess Brownell's will get my business until Target Sports gets their act together.

[psun786]

Last order (For me)

Target Sports is just being dumb. They'll start selling again in a few months when they see their competitors making the money they could be. Just a silly misunderstanding on their part. In the meantime, I guess Brownell's will get my business until Target Sports gets their act together.

[Muse25]

Yeah just did my last order with TargetSport too. This is frustrating

[psun786]

Someone should call CA DOJ for clarification


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[Endless]

I am glad this law will never apply to me.

[ronlglock]

Last order (For me)

It is general consensus that nothing changes with LEO / FFL3 ordering after Prop 63 but apparently DOJ doesn't agree and has their own interpretation. From what they said to Brownells, it looks like they don't think FFL3 is exempted, or maybe just not from buying online?

Well guess what. In their 4/18/19 rule making, the DOJ killed off a few exemptions:

(a) The following types of identification will properly identify an individual who is exempt pursuant to Penal Code section 30352, subdivision (e) from Department approval to purchase or transfer ammunition.
(1) A valid Federal Firearms License.
(2) An authorized law enforcement representative’s written authorization from the
head of the agency authorizing the ammunition purchase or transfer.
(3) A centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensee’s Department issued certificate indicating the individual is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees.
(4) A sworn state, or local peace officer’s credential and verifiable written certification from the head of the agency.
(5) A sworn federal law enforcement officer’s credential and verifiable written certification from the head of the agency.
(1) An ammunition vendor shall present a valid Ammunition Vendor License issued pursuant to Penal Code section 30385.
(2) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department shall present a Department-issued Listing Acknowledgement Letter indicating the individual is currently on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees.
(3) A gunsmith shall present a valid Type 01 Federal Firearms License.
(4) A wholesaler shall present a valid Type 01 Federal Firearms License.
(5) A manufacturer of firearms shall present a valid Type 07 Federal FirearmsLicense.
(6) An importer of firearms or ammunition shall present a valid Type 08 Federal Firearms License.
(7) A manufacturer of ammunition shall present a valid Type 06 Federal Firearms License.
(8) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government shall present written authorization from the head of the agency authorizing the ammunition purchase or transfer, as described by Penal Code section 30352, subdivision (e)(7).





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[DDRH]

WTF!?