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  • realmswalker
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 636

    My AD story please read

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    Last edited by realmswalker; 05-04-2012, 2:32 PM.
  • #2
    rkt88edmo
    Reptile&Samurai Moderator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Dec 2002
    • 10062

    Thanks for sharing
    If it was a snake, it would have bit me.
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    • #3
      ke6guj
      Moderator
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Nov 2003
      • 23725

      I would say it was an ND because you were cycling live rounds through a firearm in your house, expecially one that you were working on. As you did later, you should have been using dummy rounds, which would have prevented the possibilty of an unintended discharge.
      Jack



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      • #4
        Jicko
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2005
        • 8774

        Originally posted by realmswalker
        I had just had an AD. I know people here say AD and ND are the same but in my case I don't believe so.
        IT WAS A ND!!! Stop making excuses to make it sounded like it wasn't.
        Last edited by Jicko; 04-16-2009, 2:36 PM.
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        • #5
          Saigon1965
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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          • Nov 2003
          • 17278

          Def. good that you share your story -

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          • #6
            JDoe
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            • Jul 2008
            • 2425

            Originally posted by ke6guj
            I would say it was an ND because you were cycling live rounds through a firearm in your house, expecially one that you were working on. As you did later, you should have been using dummy rounds, which would have prevented the possibilty of an unintended discharge.
            Yes it was a ND. Thank you for sharing your story.
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            • #7
              Geo
              Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 333

              Definately an ND.

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              • #8
                tmuller
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 1839

                Thanks for sharing, but I still say ND. Also, never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to shoot. All that said I learned the same lesson a similar way, always use dummy rounds when working on a firearm unless at a range.
                WTB - prelock smith 44's

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                • #9
                  realmswalker
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 636

                  I'm probably going to get no support on this, But I believe a ND is when you, the user, caused the gun to go off, such as finger on the trigger.

                  This was a mechanical malfunction, the gun was mechanically unsound.

                  Would it make it a ND if I had been loading my gun only once to load it for home defense and it went off due to mechanical failure? If yes then by this logic no one should ever load a gun in their house because you might have a ND.

                  I was negligent in the fact I was using live ammo, but nothing i did on my part cause the gun to shoot. I still say AD.

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                  • #10
                    PorkLover
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 951

                    thanks for sharing, it took a lot of courage for you to share that with us......hate to say it, but I vote ND............putting live rounds in so you can chamber a round?........we can all learn from your mistake......

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                    • #11
                      Tony.
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 742

                      You function tested with live ammo.... does any more need to be said?

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                      • #12
                        rkt88edmo
                        Reptile&Samurai Moderator
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 10062

                        Originally posted by realmswalker
                        I'm probably going to get no support on this, But I believe a ND is when you, the user, caused the gun to go off, such as finger on the trigger.

                        This was a mechanical malfunction, the gun was mechanically unsound.

                        Would it make it a ND if I had been loading my gun only once to load it for home defense and it went off due to mechanical failure? If yes then by this logic no one should ever load a gun in their house because you might have a ND.

                        I was negligent in the fact I was using live ammo, but nothing i did on my part cause the gun to shoot. I still say AD.

                        I agree with realmsy and the OP, AD.
                        If it was a snake, it would have bit me.
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                        • #13
                          tmuller
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 1839

                          I'm picking up what your putting down but I still say ND. Key thing is you were "working" on a gun that you knew was problematic. When you know a gun has issues extra precaution is demanded...
                          WTB - prelock smith 44's

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                          • #14
                            SuperSet
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 9048

                            Glad you're okay brutha. It's a damn good thing you practiced at least a modicum of muzzle control or this could have ended very very badly.

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                            • #15
                              ke6guj
                              Moderator
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 23725

                              My opinion is that if you were loading it once for home defense and it went off due to that mechanical failure, it would have been an AD. It would have been an AD since it needed to be chambered with a live round in order to be useful.

                              Since you could have used dummy rounds, and did so later, as you said, you were negligent in your handling of the firearm by using live ammo, your actions (using live ammo) resulted in an unintended discharge, which should be considered an ND.
                              Jack



                              Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                              No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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