Is lower receiver no BB a AW?

[nrakid88]

Sorry. I am not new to the movement, so don't be mad at me... I already have an AR. I just forgot the rules a little. I want to get an FAL into cali, can I have the receiver taken off and shipped to an FFl and then have the barreled part shipped to my home? Im not even that familiar with FAL's so I dont know if this type of dissasembly is possible. If it is possible... does the lower receiver with no upper count as a AW and need a BB or not?

[MontClaire]

Sorry. I am not new to the movement, so don't be mad at me... I already have an AR. I just forgot the rules a little. I want to get an FAL into cali, can I have the receiver taken off and shipped to an FFl and then have the barreled part shipped to my home? Im not even that familiar with FAL's so I dont know if this type of dissasembly is possible. If it is possible... does the lower receiver with no upper count as a AW and need a BB or not?

it need's to be either stripped lower or a bullet button installed before it enters the state. also magazine capacity is 10 rounds. overall measurement is per california rules. read the calguns chart.

[Josh3239]

On an FAL the upper is regulated, not the lower.

SB23 defines an AW as a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the evil features. A stripped lower (that is a lower without a LPK and/or an upper) is absoluetly not capabale of firing a centerfire cartridge and is absoluetly not capable of firing on semiautomatic. So no, the only way a stripped lower can be an AW is if it is banned by name.

[MontClaire]

nonetheless the BB must be installed and 10 rounds mag.

[Josh3239]

Prove it, quote a law. I used the definition of an AW based on SB23 which is one of the most important pieces of legislation for the CA's AWB.

Why should something without evil features need a mag lock? After all we don't on featureless rifles, why so on featureless lowers?

Why should something be maglocked that isn't capable of being considered an AW by SB23? It can't fire semiauto (or fire at all for that matter), and it can't fire a centerfire cartridge (or any cartridge for that matter).

[hoffmang]

A FAL receiver may qualify as a semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine and a feature. If it doesn't have any features, it's legal. I just haven't handled an un-assembled FAL enough.

A fully built AR lower with no upper and a pistol grip and detachable magazine - no BB - is not an AW.

-Gene

[ke6guj]

you guys need to clarify upper/lower when you are talking about FAL-pattern firearms.

Posts about lowers on FALs don't mean anything since they are not regulated. With the upper on a FAL having the mag well and the barrel, it can chamber and fire a round, as opposed to a complete AR-pattern lower not being able to chamber and fire a round since there is no barrel assembly. Now, even though the FAL can't fire in semi-auto without the lower, it is closer to the line. Plus, it is harder to claim that it is going to be used as a rimfire build, like a complete AR lower can.

[nrakid88]

Hmm, okay. Seems I dont know that much about the FAL yet. I am just trying to figure the most economical way of getting one in state.

[Blaze1Up]

Wrong & Wronger

A lower w/o upper is not a centerfire

N/T

[fguerra]

Just have the barreled upper reciever shipped to your FFL minus FH, if it has one. Have the lower assembly with the stock shipped to your home.

FAL uppers are the serialized part that need's to be DROS'd, not the lower.

[nrakid88]

Okay. Thanks guys. I am just going to see if DSA will ship the rifle to my FFL without the Flashhider and Pistol grip installed. If not, I will go third party.

BTW, is it easy to remove a FAL pistol grip like it is easy to remove a AR or AK pistol grip?