How do I ship a firearm for PPT?

[Quiet]

What he said.



For CA...

PPT equates to a face-to-face transfer between CA residents facilitated by a CA FFL dealer.

If the firearm is shipped, then it is not a PPT.
If one of the parties involved is a non-resident of CA, then it is not a PPT.

[mcat707]

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure there's some FUD in the previous information. If it's a pistol lower you can ship it one of two ways. You can ship it yourself UPS or FedEx overnight directly to the FFL, or you can take it to your FFL and pay them to ship it USPS. Only an FFL can send a pistol through the mail.
Roster shouldn't enter into this. PPT doesn't mean face to face, it means that it's a private party transfer, and thus is roster exempt. Get payment in advance. Either postal money order or PayPal. Get a copy of the recieving FFL's license and verify it. Take the license and lower to your FFL, fill out your paperwork and have them ship it.

[ErikC12]

Like I said, I could be wrong. So clear this up for me. You're saying that a purchase between private parties that gets shipped to an FFL equates legally to the buyer purchasing directly from the FFL? In other words, private sales are subject to roster restrictions if it is shipped, but not if it isn't shipped?

[sd408]

Contacted Gunfighter Tactical about this issue as I’m one of the prospectives interested in buying his AR pistol.

“The only way I can transfer a pistol AR lower is via face-to-face private party transfer. It basically works the same way as an off-roster handgun. It can be transferred, but only if both parties are present and it is completed face-to-face in the shop.”

Part 2:
“Also, pretty sure per ATF you can't transfer self-built lowers. It may be serialized and registered with Cal DOJ, but if he doesn't have a manufacturer's license from ATF he can't produce guns to sell. He can produce guns for personal use, but not to sell. I'll leave that up to him and the gun shops up there, but I don't believe that can be transferred.”

[Quiet]

Like I said, I could be wrong. So clear this up for me. You're saying that a purchase between private parties that gets shipped to an FFL equates legally to the buyer purchasing directly from the FFL? In other words, private sales are subject to roster restrictions if it is shipped, but not if it isn't shipped?

Correct.




Dealer transfer of handguns are not exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.
PPT of handguns are exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.

PPT equates to a face-to-face transfer between CA residents facilitated by a CA FFL dealer.

If the firearm is shipped, then it is not a PPT (instead, it would be considered a type of dealer transfer).
If one of the parties involved is a non-resident of CA, then it is not a PPT (instead, it would be considered an out-of-state transfer).

[wilderness medic]

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/can-i-sell-or-give-my-homemade-gun-another-person.htm

[SkyHawk]

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...her-person.htm

There’s a difference between manufacturing it to sell it, and making it for yourself and half a decade later deciding you don’t want it anymore.

That is good advice for 49 other states. Meanwhile, the chief law enforcement officer in California wants to remind California residents:

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/consumer-alert.pdf

Selling self-made firearms is illegal:
With limited exceptions, the sale or transfer of ownership of self-manufactured or self-assembled firearms is prohibited under California law.

[M1NM]

If you ship it's no longer a PPT and the buyer will have to pay his dealers receiving fee (anywhere from $25-150) plus the DROS. You can ship any firearm yourself. Pistols have to go common carrier and it's expensive (FFL can ship cheaper than you can). A pistol also has to be on roster for the FFL to complete the sale unless the buyer is exempt. Long guns can go common carrier or USPS.

[ErikC12]

Learn something new everyday. Good reminder of how stupid CA is. I retract my previous comments.