CA Ammo Laws for 2019 (purchasing) - LAX Ammo video

[autoduel]

If you do not have a valid CA driver's license (or ID) you will not be able to purchase ammunition EVEN AT A RANGE.

Where did you get this information?
The video at 4:55 says ammo purchased at and for range use doesn't require you to do anything.

[omgwtfbbq]

Not exactly all of the info is 100% correct, and there is some simplification on his part (which makes sense) on the regs.

Here's a rundown I did for my YouTube Channel on the subject that takes an in-depth look at the text of the new regs and what exactly is going to be happening and why. Fair warning, it's pretty dry stuff, but it's not watered down the law LAX is doing (although I can understand why they are doing it that way).

[Mr. Beretta]

Here's the text of the law ref "Exemptions". PC 30352 commencing July 1, 2019.

(e) Subdivisions (a) and (d) shall not apply to sales or other transfers of ownership of ammunition by ammunition vendors to any of the following, if properly identified:

(1) An ammunition vendor.

(2) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the department pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450) of Chapter 6 of Division 6.

(3) A person who purchases or receives ammunition at a target facility holding a business or other regulatory license, provided that the ammunition is at all times kept within the facility’s premises.

(4) A gunsmith.

(5) A wholesaler.

(6) A manufacturer or importer of firearms or ammunition licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(7) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale or other transfer of ownership is for exclusive use by that government agency, and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the handgun ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency authorizing the transaction is presented to the person from whom the purchase, delivery, or transfer is being made. Proper written authorization is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the agency by which the purchaser, transferee, or person otherwise acquiring ownership is employed, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency by which that individual is employed.

(8) (A) A properly identified sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or properly identified sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.

(B) (i) Proper identification is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the agency by which the purchaser or transferee is employed, identifying the purchaser or transferee as a full-time paid peace officer who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.

[Lmo]

Where did you get this information?

It's on the LAX website. > https://www.laxammooc.com/california...laws-for-2019/

If vendors are prohibited from selling to non-residents, then they should not be able to sell it AT RANGES either. But this is unclear.

Q: What if I am not a California resident and/or do not have a California ID?

A: We have spoken with the CA DOJ on 12/19/2018, and they have confirmed that we cannot sell ammunition to non-California residents. You must have a valid CA driver's license in order for us to run the eligibility check and sell you ammo.

[SlowDrifter]

Yeah, the video kinda' glossed over the "at range" purchase as if everything he was discussing was out the window. Understandable, as the video is aimed at California residents. My fishing trip this morning got postponed for an hour so I have time to go watch the other video. Thanks a lot, folks. Y'all really are a big help nevigating the rat race that is California gun (and soon to be among) laws.

As always, safe shooting and tight groups,

SD

edited to add: But yeah, it does appear my range days in California are limited, as is my ability to keep personal protection in my hotel room. So an illegal alien can get a drivers' license and do whatever they want, but a Texan can't buy a box of 9mm.

[Lmo]

Keep in mind that in ancient Sparta it was okay to steal, but it was not okay to get caught doing it.

[jeremiah12]

Wow....just an expensive game of "Mother May I?". What a shake down. What's next? Are they going to physically lift every gun owner upside down by the ankles and shake unitl every last cent falls from their pocket?

Seriously, though. I visit California occasionally and always bring at least one handgun to get in some range time. The way I understand it, I'll still be able to buy ammo at a range with my TX license/ID, I just won't be able to leave the range with it, right? Also, so if I want ammo for my handgun while I'm there, I better bring my own, 'cause I ain't getting it there, correct?

As a non-CA resident, you can import all the ammo you want when you come to CA. The importation law does not apply to you. It only applies to CA residents. You can read the law yourself in this post: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...56&postcount=2

As for buying while here, IIRC, the text of Prop 63 excluded non-residents, and I re-reread the the proposed regulations and they only stated you needed to show a DL/ID card. Nothing said you needed to show a CA DL or ID card so yours from TX should be good. Whether that precludes you from the BG check, I would not know. Knowing the insanity of this state, they would still want to run that so your first one would be $19 for the full BG check and you would probably have to wait the full 10 days. After that it would $1 because you would be in the system.

Personally, I would just import what I planned to use. This is what I personally do as I have my FFL03 and COE, I buy online or go out of state and bring it back with me. I do not want the state to know what I am buying and I avoid paying sales tax to the state.

[SlowDrifter]

OK, that's what I've been doing for a few years whenever I get out that way, bring in my own. I've seldom had to buy extra, anyway. Thanks.

SD