Store sold my brother an LCP, whoops

[Shadowdrop]

I just got off the phone with my little brother who I don't speak to very often. He's kind of a bonehead and doesn't really research stuff. Apparently, he ordered a Ruger LCP from an out-of-state online dealer (which has disappeared) and had it shipped to a well-known CA store. They then called him, had him sign some paperwork, and handed the gun over. They did NOT do a 10-day wait and they did NOT ask about or administer the HSC test. He's emailing me whatever paperwork he has in the morning, but it's pretty clear he shouldn't have this firearm.

What options does he have? I'm an LEO, would an intra-familial transfer get red flagged? Ugh, what a mess. I'm going to hold off a bit naming the store, he's waiting for a call-back on why exactly this slid past them.

[Echidin]

Wow, I've had a local gun shop accidentally give me a firearm one day before my 10 day wait was up, but nothing this extreme...

[Tillers_Rule]

What's a Ruger LCP?

[Shadowdrop]

This. Not on the approved list.

[B.D.Dubloon]

Name the store, I'll do all my transactions there. This ten day wait is BS

You should call the store, explain that you are 5-oh, and let them know what they did was ridiculously illegal and could get them in trouble. Try and make it clear that you are just looking out for them so the DOJ/ATF does **** them up. Also make sure you have the story completely straight from your brother and make sure you know what happened, your brother sounds like a weak link possibly.

BDD

[ZirconJohn]

This is the RUGER LCP

There has just got to be more to this, please get the scoop and let us know what the skinny is... this just too unbeleivable. I'm not doubting your story; just very unique, so there has to be a hitch here somewhere.

[joea]

What's a Ruger LCP?

It's a Kel-tec P3AT clone.

[Vin496]

First off make sure the what he said and what happened are the truth. Because the biggest issue he may have, is you coming on here and mentioning it.

If your brother filled out the paperwork and is legally able to posses a handgun. Meaning he passed the background and has his HSC, I would think he's in the clear.

The FFL who is the one who is on the block for this. Worst case scenario is some point down the line, some one at the DoJ picks up on it, and they contact your brother. Asking him to return it at most.

Selling of non rostered firearms has happened in the past, I know the Glock 21 SF with Pic rail was sold to a few people, when it was not on the list. The DoJ, basically sent letters to the owners saying they should return the pistols, but it was not mandatory. Once it's here and registered, I think they are bound to just let it be.

Like others have said you may want to contact the FFL and let them know they messed up and to be more diligent in there work or else they may have some problems.

[Telperion]

If this is true, I think the FFL is in more trouble than your brother. IIRC, laws regulating the sale and transfer of guns almost always apply to the seller (the dealer shall do this, check that ...) and it is not he responsibility of the buyer to remind the dealer what the law is. If he didn't make any false statements on his paperwork, what could he be charged with?

[Hoop]

Also make sure you have the story completely straight from your brother and make sure you know what happened, your brother sounds like a weak link possibly.

BDD

They might have started the dros when he ordered it, but still if it isn't on the "safe" list I thought that it wasn't to be shipped here in the first place...

[Doheny]

Have him intra-familial to you, wait until you get the DOJ letter saying it's now registered to you, then intra-familial back to him. You say he shouldn't have the gun...because of no HSC card and not waiting the 10-day period, or is there something in his background?

[battlehatch]

From what I understand of the intrafamilial transfers, you can't do one from brother to brother, it's a father to son kind of deal. If it works though, more power to you... I am also interested to see what shop made that mistake...

[ohsmily]

I don't buy it. While there are some dumb FFLs out there, they know about the 10 day wait.

BTW, does your brother happen to be a cop?

[Vin496]

From what I understand of the intrafamilial transfers, you can't do one from brother to brother, it's a father to son kind of deal. If it works though, more power to you... I am also interested to see what shop made that mistake...

If it works, LMAO.

Exactly what's needed add more rule bending to this situation, and by a LEO none the less.

Seriously, if your brother doesn't have an HSC card, have him go take it. I'm assuming you mean they didn't make him show them he could "handle" a gun safely.

What's done is done, if he passed the background check, which I'm sure he did, then there really isn't a huge issue going on as far as your brother is concerned. It's the FFL that will have to answer for all this.

Don't get involved, don't try to be sly and buy it. Let it be.

Worst case is he has to return the gun, and gets a scolding. He didn't break any laws.

[BONECUTTER]

My little brother He's kind of a bonehead .

I have a brother who is a bonehead too..... The other day we were talking about the high-cap ban and he said people with pre-bans can still buy them (no he is not up on rebuild kits) He said just the other day he went into a gunstore in CA and the guys sold him highcaps because he already had some. I called him out ....bottom line is he was talking out his a** He did not buy new mags and could'nt show them.

Take what your brother says with a grain of salt.