Long range shooting question

[sigstroker]

no one that shot it had issues. a guy on amazon makes a riser for it but im just too cheap to buy it.

Thanks. I'm not a fan of add-on risers anyway.

[hambam105]

I thought everyone knew that the 30-06 is an obsolete caliber by now.
8mm, 270 Winchester, 30-30...I suppose someone else is going to tell me the Mosin Nagat 7.62x54R is a great cartridge too.

[Mute]

Everyone has their own preferences and what they enjoy. That's one of the great things about shooting, so much variety and options.

[Usmc0844spare]

How is it fun shooting from a bench with the rifle in a gun rest as opposed to shooting from a bipod or actually holding the rifle?

Isn't it kind of like a machine is doing all the work? Seems to me that gratification and bragging rights would be from the person actually holding the rifle and hitting a target hundreds of yards out imo.

*A lot of my question may seem dumb but im new to the shooting world*



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All depends what you are trying to do. If you are trying to make teeny tiny groups, which is my goal these days, then shooting from a bench off sandbags and stuff is the name of the game. I am not shooting the teeniest groups I want to yet. But I can pretty well guarantee that someone* shooting off a wobbly bipod with no additional sand bagging is not going to be getting even the groups I am getting with how I am shooting.

Also, to be clear, adding some sandbags and a bench does not remove the person from the equation AT ALL. It just refines and makes more "micro" the things the person focuses on. Shooting accurately depends on doing things the exact same way every shot. Off the bench I am now focusing on things like "am I exerting the exact same pressure from my ring finger into the stock as the lasts one, is my cheek weld consistent, is my trigger finger placed the same, etc".

*Disclaimer: By "someone" I mean the average person at the range. I am quite sure there are people out there who CAN and WILL equal or beat my groups without bench or sandbags somehow, but they are the outliers. I am judging this only based on what I see at the range.

[Jimi Jah]

Hit the long range target and get back to us. It's a rush.

It's a zen experience like music and surfing.

[sigstroker]

Ugh, and here I thought I might like long range shooting.

[Erik(310)]

I can guarantee a 1400 yard shot off the bipod with 1/2" groups

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[audiophil2]

I can guarantee a 1400 yard shot off the bipod with 1/2" groups

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1 shot groups do not count.

[Erik(310)]

1 shot groups do not count.

Everything is money

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[jimmykan]

*A lot of my question may seem dumb but im new to the shooting world*

I can guarantee a 1400 yard shot off the bipod with 1/2" groups

You are new to the shooting world?

The best shooter of all time, whoever that was or may be (and it's probably not you), can not guarantee that level of precision at 1400 yards.

1/2" groups at 400 yards maybe, but guaranteeing that is still a stretch.

[Erik(310)]

I know man. It was a little morning humor i suppose. One day ill be decent. I admire the skill all of you guys have though

You are new to the shooting world?

The best shooter of all time, whoever that was or may be (and it's probably not you), can not guarantee that level of precision at 1400 yards.

1/2" groups at 400 yards maybe, but guaranteeing that is still a stretch.

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[jimmykan]

It would seem that you are the type of person that would prefer highpower across the course or palma shooting instead of F class.

I know man. It was a little morning humor i suppose. One day ill be decent. I admire the skill all of you guys have though

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I don't have that skill, my offhand shooting blows.

But check out the links below for an example of what the top shooters are capable of shooting unsupported (no bench, no bipod, but they are permitted to use a sling in all positions other than standing offhand).

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1468504

https://thecmp.org/strickland-tops-cmp-800-aggregate-and-eic-rifle-matches-at-camp-perry/

Service rifle division used to be iron sights only, but beginning about 2 years ago shooters may use magnified optics of 4.5X power or less.

[CSACANNONEER]

How is it fun shooting from a bench with the rifle in a gun rest as opposed to shooting from a bipod or actually holding the rifle?

Isn't it kind of like a machine is doing all the work? Seems to me that gratification and bragging rights would be from the person actually holding the rifle and hitting a target hundreds of yards out imo.

*A lot of my question may seem dumb but im new to the shooting world*



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LOL. If you think the machine is doing all the work, why not try it and see. You'll quickly find that BR shooting is not easy and not just about the equipment. If it was, those with more money invested would always win. It's about making consistent ammo and shooting consistently with the given conditions.

[audiophil2]

Thanks. I'm not a fan of add-on risers anyway.

cabelas has a savage 10sr 24" that goes on sale often. it looks a good starter gun. i think I've seen it as low as 430. or go to frys and buy a bunch of cabelas gift cards when they give 4x points for fuel.

[Spanky8601]

OP back to your original question.

Rests/bags and benches are used, because even the most steady human cannot keep that perfectly still and motionless.

If you have access to a cat toy lazer or something like that point it at the ceiling corner of a room and see how steady you can hold it. You will be amazed how unsteady you are at 10-15..not take that out to even 50 yards and imagine the bullet riding that lazer line. Please get back to us.