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[Bullets&Whitewalls]

Fine, its worth $0. Why, because if I bought one from you I could not register it or use it as long as I lived in Commiefornia. Apparently your DA friends don't know the law either. To have a legal AR pistol in CA it must have a bullet button. And if it has a bullet button it would have needed to be registered as of the end of July. After that it cannot be transferred.

So, if you do manage to transfer a pistol lower it can never be assembled as a complete pistol.

When I move out of state I'll buy a 100% pistol lower instead of someone's home grown garage special with his name scratched into it.

You are incorrect, you would need to build it as a fixed mag like the franklin dfm or compmag and it would be legal. The nice thing is they are already registered pistol lowers so I believe they could be assembled as semi but others correct me please if I am wrong. Although I am uncertain if you would need to sell it with an upper? You might need to be able to make it complete for the safe handling demo. And it may depend on the FFL doing the transfer.

[ScottsBad]

You are incorrect, you would need to build it as a fixed mag like the franklin dfm or compmag and it would be legal. The nice thing is they are already registered pistol lowers so I believe they could be assembled as semi but others correct me please if I am wrong. Although I am uncertain if you would need to sell it with an upper? You might need to be able to make it complete for the safe handling demo. And it may depend on the FFL doing the transfer.

OK, LOL, to me a fix mag pistol, or any firearm that requires breaking open the action to reload is not a useful firearm. So, technically you are correct, but whats the point? AR pistols are barely useful even as a close range defensive firearm unless you put the "brace" on it. And I'm not prepared to risk jail.

A fixed 10 round magazine AR pistol with no "brace" is worthless. There are are far better solutions even with the brace.

So, I've always rejected the "fixed magazine" option. Making an AR pistol lower worthless in CA since August 1.

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

OK, LOL, to me a fix mag pistol, or any firearm that requires breaking open the action to reload is not a useful firearm. So, technically you are correct, but whats the point? AR pistols are barely useful even as a close range defensive firearm unless you put the "brace" on it. And I'm not prepared to risk jail.

A fixed 10 round magazine AR pistol with no "brace" is worthless. There are are far better solutions even with the brace.

So, I've always rejected the "fixed magazine" option. Making an AR pistol lower worthless in CA since August 1.

I can agree with you on that that is for sure. Lets not forget the BF10 loader though Almost makes me consider looking for one again.

[ScottsBad]

Most of us switched out our bb's to the new break open action mag release devices.

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Well, to each his own. To me a pistol configured that way is worthless. I have 4 pistols, but since I am moving out of this....to quote Trump...chit hole in the coming year (or two), I decided to just disassemble them.

Then when I get to a free state I can put braces on them, or NFA them, and use what ever capacity mag I want. Maybe I'll add a can too. F this state.

[ScottsBad]

I can agree with you on that that is for sure. Lets not forget the BF10 loader though Almost makes me consider looking for one again.

I'm not familiar with the BF10 loader, but then, I quit paying attention to all the gizmos and garbage people add to their guns. Frankly, if a firearm is not 110% percent reliable I won't own it.

The only changes I will make to a firearm are those that I am sure will not affect reliability. Fixed stocks, 10 round mags, elimination of flash suppression, and weird conforming grips are the only changes I will make and still consider the firearm reliable and usable.

That's just my philosophy.

[mshill]

OK, LOL, to me a fix mag pistol, or any firearm that requires breaking open the action to reload is not a useful firearm. So, technically you are correct, but whats the point? AR pistols are barely useful even as a close range defensive firearm unless you put the "brace" on it. And I'm not prepared to risk jail.

A fixed 10 round magazine AR pistol with no "brace" is worthless. There are are far better solutions even with the brace.

So, I've always rejected the "fixed magazine" option. Making an AR pistol lower worthless in CA since August 1.

I can agree with you on that that is for sure. Lets not forget the BF10 loader though Almost makes me consider looking for one again.

Well, the BF-10 and Mean Arms ejection port loaders breathed new life into both my AR pistols (5.56 and 300blk). Since I don't legally own >10 round magazines, the ejection port loaders rival the speed of a standard magazine release in terms of reloading time and effort.

What for me was initially a big middle finger to the state, my AR pistols are now my SHTF firearms if ever needed. Lighter, smaller, and my fixed magazine is easily reversible.

You may not find any utility in them, others do.

[Spyder]

Fine, its worth $0. Why, because if I bought one from you I could not register it or use it as long as I lived in Commiefornia. Apparently your DA friends don't know the law either. To have a legal AR pistol in CA it must have a bullet button. And if it has a bullet button it would have needed to be registered as of the end of July. After that it cannot be transferred.

So, if you do manage to transfer a pistol lower it can never be assembled as a complete pistol.

When I move out of state I'll buy a 100% pistol lower instead of someone's home grown garage special with his name scratched into it.

Well, you're wrong. About everything you said there. But feel free to keep believing it if it makes you feel better.

[Spyder]

Then when I get to a free state I can put braces on them, or NFA them, and use what ever capacity mag I want. Maybe I'll add a can too. F this state.

I do agree with all of this though.

[BigPimping]

I disassembled all my AR pistols until I leave. No interest in selling them, just can't use them until I leave.

[IVC]

Pistol lower in post-BB world in CA is close to worthless.

It's the opposite of off-roster guns - there will be minimal demand in CA and the price will be lower than in the free states, while in free states such lowers are of little interest because people who want an AR pistol can just buy one for cheap.

[Simi762]

I disassembled all my AR pistols until I leave. No interest in selling them, just can't use them until I leave.

Same here, bagged and tagged. Pretty sad day

[Endless]

OK, LOL, to me a fix mag pistol, or any firearm that requires breaking open the action to reload is not a useful firearm. So, technically you are correct, but whats the point? AR pistols are barely useful even as a close range defensive firearm unless you put the "brace" on it. And I'm not prepared to risk jail.

A fixed 10 round magazine AR pistol with no "brace" is worthless. There are are far better solutions even with the brace.

So, I've always rejected the "fixed magazine" option. Making an AR pistol lower worthless in CA since August 1.

You’re all over the place. The fact is a brace on an AR pistol is legal in ALL 50 states, regardless of what you think, believe, hope, guess, your friend says, etc.

A lot of you Californians read to much into things. You won’t risk a damn thing but you keep on believing that. We have people or I should say “kids” like you in every state that I have lived in that post crap like this.

I see folks at public ranges on a monthly basis shooting in California with surefire 100 round mags and no bulletbuttons.

Regardless of state law there are thousands of gun owners just like Chicago that don’t give a **** about law. That’s reality whether you or I agree or not. Gun owners are sick and tired of the BS so they are doing what they want with their own property. I won’t loose sleep over it and neither should you.

[Endless]

Well, the BF-10 and Mean Arms ejection port loaders breathed new life into both my AR pistols (5.56 and 300blk). Since I don't legally own >10 round magazines, the ejection port loaders rival the speed of a standard magazine release in terms of reloading time and effort.

What for me was initially a big middle finger to the state, my AR pistols are now my SHTF firearms if ever needed. Lighter, smaller, and my fixed magazine is easily reversible.

You may not find any utility in them, others do.

Exactly, agree with you 100%.

[ScottsBad]

You’re all over the place. The fact is a brace on an AR pistol is legal in ALL 50 states, regardless of what you think, believe, hope, guess, your friend says, etc.

A lot of you Californians read to much into things. You won’t risk a damn thing but you keep on believing that. We have people or I should say “kids” like you in every state that I have lived in that post crap like this.

I see folks at public ranges on a monthly basis shooting in California with surefire 100 round mags and no bulletbuttons.

Regardless of state law there are thousands of gun owners just like Chicago that don’t give a **** about law. That’s reality whether you or I agree or not. Gun owners are sick and tired of the BS so they are doing what they want with their own property. I won’t loose sleep over it and neither should you.

Do you actually live in CA? Because most if not all of the lawyers that are on CalGuns will tell you that it is risky to use a brace in CA. The laws here are so vague and we who pay attention know that any DA in CA can decide to call a brace a stock if they want to.

Do it if you want, but I don't want to be the test case, arrested and spend $50K defending myself.

You obviously don't know much about the environment in CA.

I think you might have a problem with the comprehension of complex inter-dependencies in an ambiguous environment. Maybe you should stay in Maine. Things are less complex there. BTW I'm not a kid, I'm just far smarter, wiser, and better informed than you are.

[ScottsBad]

Pistol lower in post-BB world in CA is close to worthless.

It's the opposite of off-roster guns - there will be minimal demand in CA and the price will be lower than in the free states, while in free states such lowers are of little interest because people who want an AR pistol can just buy one for cheap.

This is exactly right.