DROS Delayed first time buyer.

[itsthematrix]

Ok I got the denial letter, it says I was denied because Illegal Alien - Brady - 18 USC 922(g)(5). Any person who, being an alien, is illegally or unlawfully in the United States. LOOOOOOOOOOOL Im looking at my naturalization certificate now.

Wasted all my money and embarrassed myself in front of everyone. Any suggestions on next step? It came stapled to NICS Guide for Appealing a Firearm Transfer. and under NTN: it has no number listed, so I really do not know what to do now.

On the denial letter at the bottom it says "you may contact a NICS Customer Service Representative at" and it lists a phone number which leads to a phone number saying I won money, basically not even the right phone number. IM A US CITIZEN, cant believe im going through this.

Should I make an appointment with immigration? LOL cannot believe this. I became a citizen in 2012.

EDIT: On the nics appeal form on their website it says "Please include the NICS Transaction Number (NTN) for all of the transactions you wish to appeal. Be aware that if you have any NTNs which were denied in the past and never overturned, and you don't provide them to the NICS at this time, it could cause erroneous denials on your future purchases."

So I have none of that information because it was not included.

[itsthematrix]

Gonna try this appeal first, then maybe go that route, don't wanna spend anymore money on this than I already have, personally i think their records are old and outdated.. I heard people mention that you can use your DROS # as an STN, is that true? I will upload everything to them, my live scan paperwork, naturalization certificate, denial letter and DROS. What I don't get is why they would say illegal alien, I had a green card prior to that.

[BagelBites]

I find it amusing that, in this age of PC culture/doublespeak, especially in CA, the DOJ uses that type of language. Illegal alien. For a 5150 denial, the denial reason on the letter they send is "Mental Defective".

[Featureless]

You just have to keep birddogging it until you slap it down. Their records are effed up and they won't budge until you go thru all the hoops. Don't weaken.

[KahrMan]

Could they be having a problem determining if the firearm meets CA DOJ regs? Not saying it doesn't but they seem as confused about the regs themselves as anyone.

[itsthematrix]

You just have to keep birddogging it until you slap it down. Their records are effed up and they won't budge until you go thru all the hoops. Don't weaken.

Yup looks like it. Still there is no excuse for them to call me an illegal when #1 I have a social security #, #2 I was a perm resident alien when I became a US citizen. Their records really must be screwed

Could they be having a problem determining if the firearm meets CA DOJ regs? Not saying it doesn't but they seem as confused about the regs themselves as anyone.

nah this is clearly nics, they think im an illegal. it states brady and they even stapled nics pamphlet to it. The firearm was CA approved.

It’s not about spending money with them, it’s about getting consultations. Most cases consultations are free and would not go to any attourney that charges money to hear and give basic advise.

They both could point you to a certain person, office or some paper you need so you can get your situation rectified

will look into it thanks.

I find it amusing that, in this age of PC culture/doublespeak, especially in CA, the DOJ uses that type of language. Illegal alien. For a 5150 denial, the denial reason on the letter they send is "Mental Defective".

Yea it's strange, was surprised when I saw those words myself. Personally I think they just ran out of time, like I said it was delayed up until the last day.

[mlevans66]

My uncle has been delayed twice when trying to purchase a firearm. I asked the standard questions and he said no. He kinda has a common name but not really so we are waiting on the hold up.

[itsthematrix]

So on Saturday I got 3 letters back, two from the FBI, one from CA DOJ BOF. This was after denial appeal after submitting proof, the first letter from the FBI reads "Based on further review and investigation" "You are eligible to possess or receive a firearm", the second letter from the FBI is a certificate, the third letter was from CA DOJ BOF which I did a live scan for the denial, it states that "No record match" and that my fingerprints did not match any criminal history. Looks like im good. Thanks all.

[NorCalBusa]

Good to read you're coming out ok. Not to cup half full the whole deal, but I'd be glad it got discovered and cleared up now- as opposed to when something hits the fan and time is of the essence.

[onelonehorseman]

1. Wait for the letter

2. CDOJ doesn’t pick up phone calls

3. After the letter arrives, then maybe do a live scan.

4. Never buy from an FFL that won’t release undetermined. Your FFL is
Evil and isn’t worth our business.

Good luck

Bob

#4 x 1000000! Lesson learned.

Prior to starting the procedure of going "undetermined" after 30 days, CADOJ sometimes spent more than 150 days trying to determine if a particular gun could be transferred to a particular person, for one reason or another.

[onelonehorseman]

So on Saturday I got 3 letters back, two from the FBI, one from CA DOJ BOF. This was after denial appeal after submitting proof, the first letter from the FBI reads "Based on further review and investigation" "You are eligible to possess or receive a firearm", the second letter from the FBI is a certificate, the third letter was from CA DOJ BOF which I did a live scan for the denial, it states that "No record match" and that my fingerprints did not match any criminal history. Looks like im good. Thanks all.

Excellent news!

[HK9]

They did do the background check. Or rather, they did submit the information (during the DROS process) for CADOJ to do the background check. And DOJ is the one coming back and saying "undetermined." Don't blame the shop for the DOJ's mess.

In my research prior to making my first purchase, the above depends on the FFL. I've researched and uncovered issues predicated on instances where it was believed that DOJ looked at the number of previous denials/delays/undetermined that were ultimately submitted by the FFL in the past and then begins to place more 'scrutiny' on subsequent DROS from that particular FFL.

I had one FFL that just happens to also be a shooting range tell me outright that they've had problems with DROS delays from DOJ, where in the final analysis, an issue of "money owed to the state" kept coming up in the background of their customers trying to purchase a firearm. I was told flat out by that particular FFL, that if I owed money to the state, to not even bother submitting the form for DROS.

I've never owed any money to the state, but based on that conversation, I decided to purchase elsewhere and use a different FFL. I was concerned that this particular FFL had somehow been "flagged" internally at DOJ. I cannot confirm the "flagging" behind the scenes at DOJ. However, I've had a personal conversation a few years ago with someone I know who worked in the AG's office who indicated that not all FFL's are treated "equally" inside CADOJ behind the scenes.

So, it could have been this particular FFL, based on what I've been able to uncover.

The only solution to this kind of internal flagging (if it actually takes place) that logically made any sense to me, was to submit my forms through a very high volume FFL. There are two specific reasons for that which I won't discuss on this forum.