Micro Roni Legality

[doggie]

It does look suh-weet

It does look cool, but...

[Jimmy's]

It does look suh-weet

I wasn't going say anything but since you brought it up. It looks like a Star Wars POS!

[doggie]

It does look suh-weet

I wasn't going say anything but since you brought it up. It looks like a Star Wars POS!

Um, does it look worse than the Glock itself?

[Jimmy's]

^^^^lol two of a kind ^^^^

[Cokebottle]

Barrel shroud is a problem.

[Turo]

Barrel shroud is a problem.

Does the barrel shroud clause mention anything about the shroud going around the slide too?

[hermosabeach]

F U D

I keep hearing different stuff. Anyone know if Micro Roni is legal here in CA?

From the manufacturers web page-


→ MICRO RONI HAS NFA RESTRICTIONS, TAX STAMP REQUIRED
California: Due to California laws and regulations pertaining to firearms and firearms use, All RONI PISTOL CARBINE CONVERSION KIT are not authorized for sale or use in the State of California.

[Turo]

From the manufacturers web page-


→ MICRO RONI HAS NFA RESTRICTIONS, TAX STAMP REQUIRED
California: Due to California laws and regulations pertaining to firearms and firearms use, All RONI PISTOL CARBINE CONVERSION KIT are not authorized for sale or use in the State of California.

That has nothing to do with CA law, other than the nfa restrictions. The product (as configured with a pistol brace) is entirely legal to own in CA. What you do with it may or may not be.

[Cokebottle]

Does the barrel shroud clause mention anything about the shroud going around the slide too?

(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

The slide is not considered to be an AW feature.

The Roni is sketchy... the original frame and slide "allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand", but I would not want to be the test case for this one.

From the manufacturers web page-


→ MICRO RONI HAS NFA RESTRICTIONS, TAX STAMP REQUIRED
California: Due to California laws and regulations pertaining to firearms and firearms use, All RONI PISTOL CARBINE CONVERSION KIT are not authorized for sale or use in the State of California.

That's the carbine version which includes a proper shoulder stock.
Thread is about the Micro-Roni, which is merely a wrist brace.

Such a brace attached using the cavity at the rear of the grip would be unquestionably legal same as a Sig Brace.

[God Bless America]

Um, does it look worse than the Glock itself?

I was serious, it does look good, way better than a glock.

[Quiet]

I keep hearing different stuff. Anyone know if Micro Roni is legal here in CA?

in this configuration....

It requires compliance with CA assault weapons laws because installing it causes the semi-auto pistol to have a "barrel shroud". [PC 30515(a)(4)(C)]

In order to legally install it on a semi-auto pistol, the semi-auto pistol must operate using a fixed 10 round magazine.
Since "bullet button" style maglocks are no longer legal compliance devices, in order to be considered a fixed magazine, the magazine needs to be installed in such a way that it can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or the magazine must be welded/epoxied/riveted into the firearm's magazine well.

[ugimports]

Micro Roni Legality

I know there have been several threads about this. However, Glockstore just released a video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=764&v=MXK7W0cYn_A

Showing it in use, in California. Would it now be "safe" to some degree to assume legality if say in 6 months Lenny @ Glockstore is not in jail? Would it be helpful to send the link to CA DOJ and ask for a specific answer. Not that they would give you one, but then you know they've seen it?

With the fact they are doing arrests based on AW registrations I'm assuming they would consider a video by a CA FFL / Owner as evidence as well.

I'm guessing Glockstore already had their lawyers sign off that it was defensible.

Thoughts?

[Squidward]

My thoughts are that there is no written letter from the ATF stating the Micro Roni (with the stabilizer) is completely CA "legal". There is an ATF letter addressing the "cheeking/shouldering" of the brace while firing but nothing I can find addressing the issues that are being debated on-line regarding the wording in the Penal Code.

In short, too many opinions from well-meaning mere mortals and no definitive answers from those who lord over us to be worth the risk. At least, for me; a well-meaning mere mortal!

[Scratch705]

imo legal.

have a few buddies that run a micro roni with the SB brace and the new extended length brace.

some run it with their P80 builds for that extra ghost gunning lethality.

[ugimports]

What about the issue of the barrel shroud?

Reference:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=20054568&postcount=26

So the question I am now asking is regarding the quoted post which is hypothetically why it is NOT legal. If DOJ is made aware of this video and there is no legal action taken does that mean it IS legal and it is not considered a barrel shroud?