Who’s More Organized Now, The Antis or Pro 2nd Side?

[MeatyMac]

https://theoutline.com/post/4119/gun-control-mobilization-gap-democrats-republicans-pundits

Mac

[Two Nuggets]

I’d say 2a supporters are more organized. You should see how neat my safe and ammo cabinets are.

Anti-gunners are more worried about girls wearing Chinese dresses and what Prius model to buy.

[MeatyMac]

I will admit that Im considering going the Rifle Rod route to improve my long gun safe organization, but we digress from the topic at hand...

[floogy]

The same polls that suggest 98% of people are in favor of universal background checks?


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[MeatyMac]

The same polls that suggest 98% of people are in favor of universal background checks?

[IVC]

The usual misuse of statistics and making of arbitrary inferences.

There is *nothing* about how well the groups are organized in the article. Being organized is measurable by organizational structure, donations, political activity and alike, not by a poll of "who feels strongly about an issue." If we used the metrics in the article, "Occupy Wall Street" would be the best organized political organization and not just a bunch of pot smoking hippies.

The disclosure in the text itself is revealing and damning:

Over email, Schaffner stressed that it was important to exercise caution when considering these findings. “We have to be careful about how we understand these results, because asking about gun control is an inherently liberal framing of the issue, and that might be why we see fewer conservatives rating it as important,” he wrote. “Were we to ask about gun rights, we might see a reversal of these patterns.” However, the CCES data support findings in other survey data: there doesn't seem to be a huge enthusiasm gap, and what gap exists may actually favor Democrats.

So, they are warned about flaws in the poll itself (not even in how it's used to make any conclusion), but they ignore the warning because they like the outcome. Surprise anyone?

Finally, quoting a few deep blue politicians and cherry picking a few special elections that had nothing to do with guns is hardly a compelling argument. The real test will be whether the *vulnerable* Democrats in *red* states run on "gun control platform."

Overall, the article gets an F. Worthy of high school students with no clue on how to analyze data.

[IVC]

A quick research of the author reveals quite a few gems of his "work." If you think that this article is arbitrary and not supported by any facts, you should read some of his other stuff.

[Notpc]

The left has always been more organized. They have people that have nothing better to do. Most of us on the right have jobs, family and homes to take care of. We can't just jump on the Soros supplied buses and head someplace to hold a protest rally.

[eswrite]

A smart aleck I know personally once said, "statistics can be made to say anything you want them to say 87.5% of the time."

"More organized" is hard to measure. I would ask two questions that are easier to measure:
1. Who has the largest, most cohesive and influential organization -- the one presidents chide congressmen for being afraid of it?
2. Who has the most effective, pervasive way to spread its message and turn the culture?

On question #1, I'd give advantage 2A supporters.
On question #2, I'd give advantage to gun controllers.

My one bit of caution: we now live in a world where culture (emotive, relativistic, expressive) moves and turns very quickly. Evidence: how the immigration and same-sex tide turned right here in California, and how the latter has turned nationwide. With that in mind, I'd say, edge to the gun controllers.

We simply have to get better at messaging and influencing the culture. We tend to isolate and radicalize, which only feeds and fans the gun controller "they are scary" narrative.

[IVC]

The left has always been more organized.

Possibly, but the left has always been "top down," where a few wealthy individuals finance organizations with a lot of structure and very few members. They are highly visible because of the media going along and that's about it.

We have the numbers, they have the mass media. The advantage is quickly shifting to our side because of the marginalization of the MSM. Keep that in mind too.

[Sousuke]

https://theoutline.com/post/4119/gun-control-mobilization-gap-democrats-republicans-pundits

Mac

Clearly there is a bigger group that has formed through funding by Bloomberg then say pre 2011. I don't think it revivals the 2A side for one important reason - groups like Everytown or Brady don't support their members like the NRA does...they use them until they burnout or they run out of money.

[k1dude]

The left has always been more organized. They have people that have nothing better to do. Most of us on the right have jobs, family and homes to take care of. We can't just jump on the Soros supplied buses and head someplace to hold a protest rally.

^This^

The left is more organized because that's what they do for a living or what they live for.

We work construction for a job. They organize and attend protests for a job.

We shoot guns as a hobby. The left protests for a hobby.

They are driven by hate, and hate is a powerful motivator.

We have no such hate, so we aren't nearly as motivated.

[RandyD]

When it comes to polling numbers and percentages, they do not sway me one way or the other on any topic. In the last presidential election, we saw how flawed the polls were regarding who would who would win.

To give a poll any credibility, you need to know a number of factors such as the exact language used in the question, and the way it was asked, where it was asked, when it was asked of of who it was asked. Without knowing all of the variable factors, the responses have very little value.

[Wordupmybrotha]

The polls cited in the articles aren't credible. Have you seen the number of people surveyed? Few hundred here, couple thousand there...worthless. Don't know how they were selected, what specific questions were asked, etc.

The article quoted some guy who said that the NRA dictated what the gun owners should think. Please.

The liberal media tells the liberals what to think. The non-gun owning liberals follow the media like sheep.

That's not how it is with gun owners and the NRA. The NRA doesn't tell us what to do. And certainly, the gun owners don't follow the NRA like sheep.

[Aldemar]

The left has always been more organized. They have people that have nothing better to do. Most of us on the right have jobs, family and homes to take care of. We can't just jump on the Soros supplied buses and head someplace to hold a protest rally.

This.