NRA leadership needs to be Sacked.

[FF90]

Tell Us, USMC16A2 "universal back round checks, on all purchases, non-recorded." how do you enforce a no records kept - background check???
require a id card per gun issued by an FFL and showing the owners name??
or how would this work?

[Citadelgrad87]

Folks,



The leadership of the NRA is not keeping up with the times. I know all the die-hards are going to say "not one inch" but a well constructed "something" needs to be done. Just this morning what was in the news, 4 more young people gunned down by some ****ing mental case.
A 29 year old with mental illness, who has run ins with the police. Was arrested on the grounds of the White House. who had all of his firearms taken, but his father gave them back. The old approach of LaPierre and his fossilized cronies is just not working.
I have said this before, and I will say it again. That universal back round checks, on all purchases, non-recorded. Just a check to make sure that the persons involved are eligible. Wait the few minutes, NICS check your on your way. No record kept.
Furthermore, severe penalties for those individuals and agencies that do not report ineligibility to the NICS system. Criminal and civil. Firearms prohibitions for the mentally ill, and relinquishing of all firearms. And penalties for the persons that give firearms to prohibited persons.
There are ways to protect the 2A rights of people, and keep firearms out of the hands of those that should not. But its going to take big balls on the NRA's part. The decrepit leadership needs to be sacked, and the division needs to stop. And the power of the NRA used to further the 2A, and further the cause of ending, reducing gun violence. A2

Could not disagree more. If we "do something" and, surprise, a mental case kills under then existing laws, guess what, you have conceded that doing "something" to restrict gun ownership by law abiding citizens is an appropriate reaction.

It isn't.

[SAD338]

I don't see how it's the NRA's fault that his guns were taken away from him twice and returned to him by his father twice.

[madjack956]

Not sure why this would fall on the NRA leadership. His Father gave him back weapons he was not supposed to have so if anything the blame should fall there.
There is unfortunately no 100% solution to keep someone from doing these acts. No one wants them to happen but the truth is in our current society they will continue no matter what laws are in place.

This right here^^^. "Something" needs to be done with all the kneejerk "blame the NRA " people in this world.

Especially the ones that claim they are pro-gun.

His father knew better than anybody including the cops and NRA his son had major issues, but gave him the guns back anyway.

[Subotai]

All vehicles need governers that prevent going over 10 mph.

[Bigtwin]

Troll... that is the only logical explanation here.

[onelonehorseman]

Folks,



The leadership of the NRA is not keeping up with the times. I know all the die-hards are going to say "not one inch" but a well constructed "something" needs to be done. Just this morning what was in the news, 4 more young people gunned down by some ****ing mental case.
A 29 year old with mental illness, who has run ins with the police. Was arrested on the grounds of the White House. who had all of his firearms taken, but his father gave them back. The old approach of LaPierre and his fossilized cronies is just not working.
I have said this before, and I will say it again. That universal back round checks, on all purchases, non-recorded. Just a check to make sure that the persons involved are eligible. Wait the few minutes, NICS check your on your way. No record kept.
Furthermore, severe penalties for those individuals and agencies that do not report ineligibility to the NICS system. Criminal and civil. Firearms prohibitions for the mentally ill, and relinquishing of all firearms. And penalties for the persons that give firearms to prohibited persons.
There are ways to protect the 2A rights of people, and keep firearms out of the hands of those that should not. But its going to take big balls on the NRA's part. The decrepit leadership needs to be sacked, and the division needs to stop. And the power of the NRA used to further the 2A, and further the cause of ending, reducing gun violence. A2

Without getting into a discussion of universal background checks in, and of, themselves . . . .

I am not following how the background checks you propose would have affected the outcome of the tragedy you refer to.

I also fail to see how the NRA bears any ownership (either as an immediate cause or a root cause).

[madjack956]

[QUOTE=unusedusername;21558084]Appeasement is a failed strategy as well. I suggest that NRA leadership could suggest compromises that are real, meaning we get something back. A possibility could universal background checks without records in exchange for shall-issue national CCW.[/QUOTE]

I got a better idea. How about they give us shall issue national ccw and that's it.
They get nothing! Wouldn't that be refreshing. We get something, and they get nothing for a change.

And the something that we get, is something that is rightfully ours anyway, protected supposedly by the bill of rights.

[madjack956]

Are you reading the same posts I am? Because I don't see any pro feedback.

It would be nice if you would answer the question in post #25.

[gforce357]

I'm assuming all 700 people killed in Chicago last would have benefited from the background checks, right OP? Just like the liberal media, you are ignoring the real problem and bowing down to the sensational stories.

The NRA had nothing to do with this, it has nothing to do with any of the publicized killings.

This.

[OlderThanDirt]

The NRA is not the problem. How about:

- the demise of the nuclear family
- the almost complete lack of personal responsibility
- the failure .gov to deal with mental health issues
- the failure of .gov to do their job

It's bad enough that this country is headed down a path to a complete socialist nanny state devoid of personal responsibility, but the consistent failure of numerous government agencies to do their jobs has been a significant factor in almost every recent mass shooting.

The NRA cannot fix the retards that our society is creating, nor can it make .gov agencies enforce existing laws. The NRA leadership needs to hold firm in the face of massive societal and government failures. Giving up anything just puts more people at risk of being victims of violent sociopaths.

Thanks A2. Now I feel like I have to go out and buy another firearm, or at least take a shower.

[readysetgo]

You'd have to have a sack, first, to put them in. Since some of you don't, well...

[leadchucker]

I know all the die-hards are going to say "not one inch" but a well constructed "something" needs to be done.

Let's start with the First Amendment. There need to be background checks and censorship. "Something" needs to be done to prevent inflammatory threads like this from being started.

[Barang]

"A 29 year old with mental illness, who has run ins with the police. Was arrested on the grounds of the White House. who had all of his firearms taken, but his father gave them back."

So who is the problem here?

[leadchucker]

- the failure of .gov to do their job

This is the biggest of all. Their primary purpose and function under a Constitutional Republic is to safeguard our rights. They've been failing miserably as we have become more of a pure, "majority-rule" democracy, where public opinion overrides inalienable rights.