Active shooter

[Epaphroditus]

Calmly and clearly ask "Would you like to SuperSize that?"@

[bambam8d1]

Yell and throw things ??? its an active shooter not a wild animal .. besides the fact you would draw attention to yourself.

I literally just laughed out loud at this

[CandG]

Don't forget your rape whistle, kids

[Scratch705]

If there is a high probability that an armed assailant robbing you, why wouldn't you keep it loaded? Same with locking it up in a bag at your desk. I would keep it immediately accessible. You are being sarcastic, right!

since i don't hold a CCW, i need to make sure i'm transporting it legally.

and work policy doesn't allow it.

i'm carrying it in secret cause i feel my life is worth more than a work policy. i work in the corporate side where we do not get public visitors, only invited guests are allowed into the office. and the dept i am in is behind 2 sets of keypad locked doors. i will have ample time to pull out and load up my pistol if any armed criminals break into the office.

[Foothills]

Funny story...our local law enforcement put on an active shooter training. They've been doing it for about 10 years. They go over incidents and how often people waited calmly to be **** to death, like at Virginia tech.

I volunteered to be the bad guy for the last exercise and had to leave the room while they briefed everyone else. I knew there woud be some sort of action, and I was free to utilize my nerf gun to counter.

They attacked me with ping-pong balls. 20 people at once. Extremely disorienting. I did empty my nerf gun, but couldn't aim. Then the crowd tackled me. They were actually instructed that they couldn't touch me, but tackled me anyway. The deputies had to pry people off.

I had to admit that their training had been effective at changing a docile crowd's mindset.

[godofgamblers]

That's a rather generalized statement that is nowhere near accurate.

Not all of us get to live in a county that doesn't have an a-hole no-issue sheriff or have work places with relaxed opinions on carrying at work. Hence my statement of "some districts".

[caliberetta]

I believe yell/throw things is what you do to a mountain lion or a bear. Which, may be a good idea.

Throwing things and yelling at a deranged man with an AR15 is not a very good idea, any time.

Most of the time, the best option for an unarmed person is not to stand there and wonder if it's a joke, drill or movie set... but to RUN as far away as possible, and take cover.

[caliberetta]

Funny story...our local law enforcement put on an active shooter training. They've been doing it for about 10 years. They go over incidents and how often people waited calmly to be **** to death, like at Virginia tech.

I volunteered to be the bad guy for the last exercise and had to leave the room while they briefed everyone else. I knew there woud be some sort of action, and I was free to utilize my nerf gun to counter.

They attacked me with ping-pong balls. 20 people at once. Extremely disorienting. I did empty my nerf gun, but couldn't aim. Then the crowd tackled me. They were actually instructed that they couldn't touch me, but tackled me anyway. The deputies had to pry people off.

I had to admit that their training had been effective at changing a docile crowd's mindset.

I'm not sure what your local law enforcement is thinking by using ping pong balls and a nerf gun to simulate the savagery of an active shooter with AR15 or any other firearm. It's not sesame street.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that throwing a ping pong ball or anything at a deranged man with a gun is like saying "PLEASE SHOOT ME," and you can guess what is likely to happen next.
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[CandG]

The Sierra Club has great advice for this.

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2014-6-november-december/green-life/how-strike-pose-save-your-life

[sealocan]

I used to have a Red Swingline stapler that could be considered a deadly weapon but then they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll, I'll, I'll ....



just throw the coffee mug at them?

[Scratch705]

The result would be very different if you had a real AR15 firing live rounds inside an enclosed room instead of a dumb little Nerf gun.

I'm not sure what your local enforcement is thinking by using ping pong balls and a nerf gun to simulate the savagery of an active shooter situation.

how else can they conduct training? use real rounds and whoever survives passes the class?

even simulating the event will at least get the participants thinking and have something to refer back to in case of a real event and not just turn into a broken panicking lump.

knowing that throwing even innocuous items at the assailant will distract them long enough for a close in action like tackling will help.

[GW]

Yell and throw things ??? its an active shooter not a wild animal .. besides the fact you would draw attention to yourself.

You don't get it. This is the LAST resort, for when running and hiding have failed.
Might as well go down swinging.

[caliberetta]

how else can they conduct training? use real rounds and whoever survives passes the class?

even simulating the event will at least get the participants thinking and have something to refer back to in case of a real event and not just turn into a broken panicking lump.

knowing that throwing even innocuous items at the assailant will distract them long enough for a close in action like tackling will help.

Well that is exactly the point -- it's probably not a good idea to train people to resort to innocuous items because that's what people will do in a panic once you've opened up that decision path in training.

I'm pretty sure training people to pick up the chairs in a classroom and use those to throw at the shooter might actually resort to something over having them opt to throw their pencils and erasers at him.

[Scratch705]

Well that is exactly the point -- it's probably not a good idea to train people to resort to innocuous items because that's what people will do in a panic once you've opened up that decision path in training.

I'm pretty sure training people to pick up the chairs in a classroom and use those to throw at the shooter might actually resort to something over having them opt to throw their pencils and erasers at him.

i think you are assuming that b/c they only used ping pong balls, the students won't think of throwing bigger objects in their real life situation.

for a training class where the "criminal" is another volunteer, throwing chairs at him would be a bad idea if one of those chairs maim/kills that volunteer. the training is demonstrating the fact that throwing objects at the assailant will distract them. not to only throw small tiny objects. and heck, i wouldn't want someone throwing a pair of scissors or even pens at me at high speed. unless the assailant is on drugs, they will instinctively duck or dodge or close their eyes at the flying object and that can open up a chance for another person to get in close.

plus, what if the office that a person is at is one of those new "standing" offices so there is no chairs nearby? by only training them to throw chairs, wouldn't they also get decision locked when there is no chairs to throw and forgot about other objects in the same office?

[f14peter]

Well that is exactly the point -- it's probably not a good idea to train people to resort to innocuous items because that's what people will do in a panic once you've opened up that decision path in training.

I'm pretty sure training people to pick up the chairs in a classroom and use those to throw at the shooter might actually resort to something over having them opt to throw their pencils and erasers at him.

Never occurred to me for an instant that the class subjects were being trained to specifically use soft, benign items.

Plain as day is was merely a simulation, I would even go so far as to speculate the instructor said something like "for the real thing, grab anything like a scotch tape dispenser, electric pencil sharpener, computer keyboard, potted plants, anything with some heft."

Even a non-dangerous objectd flying at someone is probably more effective than one would think. Unless the target know specifically the items coming at his head was soft, it's an almost autonomic reaction to duck or dodge, not to mention the visual distraction.

The college I work at has its own police force (albeit a small one, but fully deputized officers) and I've video recorded training for these types of situations for a couple of decades now. There's been a shift from what was assumed to almost always be a hostage situation so hunkering down to the point of even cooperating with the intruder ... to an active shooter intent on finding victims. The philosophy now is that if you can't keep the shooter out of your space, you're probably deadmeat so it's up to each group to decide to fight. They even show techniques for surprising and overpowering an intruder blindly entering a room. Including throwing things of all shapes and sizes, using something long (coat racks, curtainrods, etc)to knock any weapons aside or out of an attackers hands, tossing blankets or towels over their head, this list is endless. This is based on an attacker very likely assuming anyone he encounters will be placid, panicky or cowering in fear and not really expecting resistance.